Becoming the Smart Gamer in Autosurfs and HYIPs

2006-06-29T12:48:00.000-07:00

Why surfs have to get 'real'? - Commentary from Review of Gladitor

Hello all,
Let me be very open with all of you. Here's a breakdown of incoming and outgoing funds for the past 3 days:

June 26th:
Incoming- $3,820
Paid out- $2,988.6

June 27th
Incoming- $7,567.5
Paid out- $11,462.2

June 28th
Incoming- $3,530
Paid out- $865.5

June 29th
Incoming(current)- $970
Paid out- TBA. But roughly over $6,500 for members who qualify. Including members who do not qualify it would be close to $15,000.

During the last 2 weeks I was averaging over $10,000 a day in payments and not even 25% of funds come back in. If it wasn't for my reserve fund GS would have shut down last month. I have approximately $7,000 pending in various other programs that are also late(please keep in mind that I am not a member of 13dp). Since most of us understand how this industry works, I am not hesitant to divulge this information to all of you. Many other programs are also showing signs of slowing down. I'm sure they too are experiencing the same issues. Out of consideration for all of you, I continue to send you updates. I also hope all of you now realize how important it is to truly support a program. I thank all those who have been with GS from the very beginning. I am still here and will continue to make payments as funds come in regardless of how slow it may be. Hopefully once people start coming back from their vacations, the surf industry will pick up again. I also hope that people will know that GS and its members are not quitters.

I am open to any suggestion. Please feel free to start a discussion in the forums.

Michael
GS admin

First, I like Michael's frankness. This is the kind of people we need and he got it - honesty. Bravo and I need to comment on other aspects which need to be improved.

As a surf's program grows, and it needs to rely less on members' upgrades for payouts if it wants to live a long life. If it does not do it, I recommend the admin should not be contemplating running a surf program because it is a matter of time upgrades will dry up, and the program struggles to pay out.

There has to be good EXTERNAL SOURCES of income. If it depends on riding other surfs, there is a problem here for Gladiator. Gladiator boxed itself by having one of the highest yields in town - 75% monthly ROI after taking into account 48 hours for payout. Also it has to pay out referral fees. In other words, it has to increase its yields by 90% every month to be on the safe side. With such a scenario, it is no wonder it will run into problems as Michael seeks members' support now. The ROI from investments or ventures by the admin has to be GREATER than the return promised to members. It is that simple and yet and time again, we see admins promising more than what they cannot deliver ultimately. Are there genuine programs or investments which can derive a good return - yes there are, and it is up to every admin of a program to figure it out how to grow its ROI from its own business minus members' upgrades. In short, get real and this industry can grow further with such genuineness.

In other words, when members' upgrades dry up, the external income is not so forthcoming, problems arise. Face it, the arithmetic here is not right. The alternative is to seek a change in ROI by adjusting the yield or payout period, and I would recommend this if it only has a sound and well-crafted plan. Otherwise, seek a reasonable ROI right from the beginning and stick to it.

Well, I wish Gladiator all the best and I am still rooting for it to continue. It is a pity to see a good program go especially with an honest admin at its helm. Not all is lost on this program and if it can move forward if it thinks its plan carefully and rework it. Good luck.

2006-06-21T11:34:00.000-07:00

Autosurfs.biz - Innovative HYIP on Autosurf Concept

I just read this interesting HYIP which works on concept of equity value. I am quickly impressed by the novelty. Such is the creativity we are looking for in the world of HYIP and AS. This is run by Rob, admin of alertpaypro and autosurfingpro. Immediately I signed on it and wished I did it earlier cos I was alerted yesterday. Only now, I got the time to examine, and knowing cardinal rule of demand and supply, supply of surf-packs are short here, hence price will go up! Read here from Rob, the admin:

The First Letter From The Admin:
In the past month we have seen quite a few well known autosurfs go out of business and dozens and dozens of less popular surfs have also bit the dust. Last night, I personally rewrote an autosurf script with an idea of mine that has been brewing for months. If you check the alertpaypro.com forum you will notice a few posts made by myself mentioning a mutual surf. I stayed up for the last 48 hours writing and re-writing and tweaking this script because I saw yet another major autosurf go out of business and take a lot of members money. As you know we here at http://alertpaypro.com and http://autosurfingpros.com have always done everything we can to keep our members safe and steer them in the right direction so that they do not get scammed. We believe that our new mutual surf program has eliminated all of the risked associated with the autosurf industry.

Please read below slowly and carefully, this is not a letter that you should skim through. Do not ask us questions about this. If you do not understand the program then it is not for you.

In our continuing effort to revolutionize the autosurf industry, we are offering a new, unique and innovative program. http://autosurfs.biz.
The mission of this program is to provide services which will prevent members from losing money on autosurfs.
Here is a brief overview of how it works:
Members may purchase an amount of mutual surf packs. Each Surf Pack as a certain value. We will say $5.00 per Surf Pack for use of our example.
Members may purchase any amount of Surf Packs up to the max which is displayed on the site.
Here is a quick sample of how things would work live:
member1 purchases 10 Surf Packs at $5 each = $50
member2 purchases 20 Surf Packs at $5 each = $100
member3 purchases 50 Surf Packs at $5 each = $250

We than place this money into autosurf programs (which will be listed at http://autosurfs.biz/forum - our portfolio)
Members (you) decide where and how much is placed. There will be an exclusive forum which will be placed at http://autosurfs.biz. The more Surf Packs a member has the more say they have in the company.

So, for example we now have $400 total in the system with 80 Surf Packs purchased.
We take the $400 and divide it between the programs listed on http://autosurfs.biz/forum. Lets say there are ten programs.
To make this example easy we will just say that each program is 10% daily for 20 days. We place 40 in each program and after 20 days should get back 800 dollars = $400 profit. The admin takes 10%, and 10% is placed back into Surf Pack value (more later) leaving $320 profit. This $320 is then given back to members in the form of dividends - $320 / 80 (total number of Surf Packs) = $4.00 dividend per Surf Pack owned.
member1 gets $4.00 X 10Surf Packs = $40
member2 gets $4.00 X 20Surf Packs = $80
member3 gets $4.00 X 50Surf Packs = $200

So all the members profited. And still own their Surf Packs!

Now remember above 10% was going back to Surf Pack value, what does this mean.
The 10% = $40 is placed back into the total Surf Pack value $40 / 80 Surf Packs = .50 per Surf Pack. The value of the Surf Pack just rose from $5.00 to $5.50!

So let's say member1 could now continue and wait for another dividend or sell his 10 Surf Packs back at $5.50 each giving him $55 + he earned $40 from the dividends = $95

That's if everything goes well and none of the autosurfs go under....But what if one did?

Let's replay that situation with 2 of the autosurfs going out of business:
we place 40 in each program and after 20 days should get back 800 dollars = $400 profit.
Lets's say 2 of the autosurfs go under and take everyones money :(
So we only receive $640 back = $240 in profit. The admin takes 10%, and 10% is placed back into Surf Pack value (more later) leaving $192 profit. This $192 is then given back to members in the form of dividends - $192 / 80 (total number of Surf Packs) = $2.40 dividend per Surf Pack owned.
member1 gets $2.40 X 10Surf Packs = $24
member2 gets $2.40 X 20Surf Packs = $48
member3 gets $2.40 X 50Surf Packs = $120

So all the members profited. And still own their Surf Packs which they can sell back at the current price!

Now remember above 10% was going back to Surf Pack value, what does this mean.
The 10% = $24 is placed back into the total Surf Pack value $24 / 80 Surf Packs = .30 per Surf Pack. The value of the Surf Pack just rose from $5.00 to $5.30!
So let's say member1 could now continue and wait for another dividend or sell his 10 Surf Packs back at $5.30 each giving him $53 + he earned $24 from the dividends = $77

Now, you may say - why don't I just put money into an autosurf myself? You can. But, by doing so you also take all the risk. For example, let's say you are member1 and instead of putting the $50 with http://autosurfs.biz you put the $50 with one of the autosurfs. And that autosurf goes out of business - you just lost everything! With http://autosurfs.biz you can never lose all your money, you either do not gain as much or you profit greatly!

If you have understood everything above congratulations we would like you to join the program, if you did not understand than just sit back and continue to autosurf, this program is for the advanced autosurfers. After the initial amount of our members join, then all future members will have to join through members ref links so that they can get the commissions as our way of saying thanks for being the first members to join. As of right now, there are no commissions and referrals will not count for anything. This is for APP and ASP members ONLY at this time.

We believe this is another step in the right direction of changing the autosurf industry and keeping members safe from losing money in the autosurf industry.

Thank you for everyone's continued support and we will continue and strive to keep trust and reliability in this industry.

Regards,
AlertPayPro/AutoSurfingPros Teams

Concerning how price fluctuates, read here:

We originally placed 125,000 dollars of our money to cover the costs of $5per surfpack while having 25000 surfpacks. So at the start of the program there was $125,000 in the system and 25000 surfpacks in the system. We then placed $25000 more into the system to use as our base (this will make more sense later) Money put into the program (surfpack purchases) is added to the base = current funds.
For example to get the price of the surfpack you could now take the current funds ($25000) divided by the number of shares (set at 25000) giving you 1. 1 times the base startprice of a surfpack(5) = 5
Now as money is added to the program (surfpacks purchased) that money is added to the base = currentfunds. For example if 2000 surfpacks are purchased a $5 each, then $5000 gets added to the base = $30000. To find the current price the system automatically takes the base(25000)+current funds(5000)=(30000) divided by the number of surfpacks(25000). 30000/20000=1.5. 1.5 times the base startprice(5) = 7.5. The current surfpack value is now 7.5. Remember the same occurs when surfpacks are sold just in reverse. If surfpacks are sold then less money is in the program and surfpack value decreases. Example, continuing with the numbers above. currently 30000 in and currently 7.5 is the surfpack value. lets say 500 surfpacks sold at 7.5 = 3750(that's minus from the current funds) 30000-3750 = 26250. 262500/25000=1.05X$5=$5.25 a surfpack. Buying increases value/selling decreases value. But even though selling decreases value, it actually increases the amount of returns. ie. if we receive a 5000 return and there are 5000 surfpacks in circulation, you will receive 5000/5000=$1 for every surfpack you own! Now if someone sells 1000 of their surfpacks - the value of the surfpack may decrese from 5.5 to 5.25 but now there are only 4000 surf packs in circulation. The 5000 dollar return is now divided amount 4000 surfpacks = 1.25 return to you per surfpack.

Click Autosurfs.biz to join!

2006-06-18T13:42:00.000-07:00

Compactsurfing closing temporarily

The PR blunder did its damage. The AS members did not upgrade enough and this led to this swift decision and once again, it showed how crucial a surf program must manage its perception of trust. I don't accept the egold reason they gave for shutting down and it is quite embarassing to mention the lack of members' upgrades as the real cause. Well for a start, the program indicated that it will start in a few months' time. Why so? I reckon Luuk and team still harbour a hope that their wider dream of a network of businesses will materialise. The new surf program will be 9 x 14% and is likely launched in 3 months' time.

Dear Compact Surfing Members,
I hope you will read this update closely, and consider all that I say here carefully, with the understanding that the Compact Network will be implementing further changes in the coming weeks, but we are here to stay for the long term as I have promised from the beginning.

As of today, Friday, June 16, 2006, Compact Surfing upgrades will be disabled. Allow me to clarify our reasons for doing this, and our plans for the coming weeks ahead:

1. The price of gold per ounce, as all of you know, has dropped significantly in the past several weeks. Because of this, the Egold funds in reserves that I had to maintain for the operation of CS diminished in value tremendously on a daily/weekly basis. There has been a 15 to 20% drop in the value of gold in the past several weeks, from above $700 an ounce in May to around $570 as I write this. What this means is that most upgrade values that were sent to CS and held online in order to provide the old trademark “fast payouts” dropped in $$$ value while waiting to be paid out. This has been occurring for weeks now. We persisted, believing there would be a turn around with the gold markets, that things would average out, but to date, this has not happened.

We’ve reevaluated the situation, and have decided now to stop taking upgrades until such time as the gold markets stabilize, we hope by mid-summer. We feel this is best for both the company and our members financially. Members have faced the same situation CS has when their payments arrive to their accounts and drop in value within hours…what took several days to build in profits has sometimes been diminished within hours, sitting in members Egold accounts. In accordance with this decision, the ability to upgrade to CS accounts will be disabled today.

For those who do not understand why drastic drops in Egold might affect the reserves of a program designed like CS, here’s why. The 3 cashout requests per month combined with the processing of requests every day of the week, and 48 hour “fast payment” meant we had to keep a majority of Network funds in reserve in Egold rather than offline. 48 hours was not long enough to move funds through exchangers online for payments or offline for protection of capital, especially on weekends when banks are closed. This is why, in our last newsletter, we established the 7-business day timeframe as being more realistic and manageable for the future of CS, however, since that last update, we have considered the situation further.

2. On June 9th, we processed nearly $500,000 USD in cashout requests. I continued to use the remaining funds left to pay as many requests as I could, and you can view a screenshot of all payments sent here:
http://compactsurfing.com/first1.PNG
http://compactsurfing.com/second2.PNG
http://compactsurfing.com/third3.PNG
3660 payments were sent the last 2 days and each single sent was paid.

Moving Forward: We are going to do refunds for members with pending requests, put the program on hold and relaunch in the summer, when hopefully the gold markets have stabilized and by which time I will have had time to implement Compactpay with features available and debit cards. All funds in my possession less operation costs will be used for refunds. In the coming weeks, the support staff will assist me in this work. Members in profit will not receive refunds. Those members not in profit will be returned a percentage of their initial upgrade purchase dependant upon the total available for distribution. Earnings and referral commissions will be deducted from your pendings in our calculations. Please be advised that I am doing this despite the fact that our terms have always stipulated that upgrade purchases are non-refundable.

3. All Compactpay members with funds in CP, please rest assured that your funds are secure. I will announce next week the procedure for how returns of whatever you funded into your Compactpay accounts will be executed. After the funds have been removed from the system, during the next few weeks, the database for Compact Pay will be inaccessible to members as my programmers and I work to implement features which I have not had the chance to dedicate time to. Please be patient and I will update further regarding this in the coming weeks. For those members who have made recent Bank Wire Fundings, I cannot address those until next week when the bank is open so please be patient with this as well.

With that said, the following actions will be taken in the coming weeks. The Compact Network will be relaunched at the end of August/early September and I have decided for now that the following three sites will be the focus of my time and resources: Compact Surfing, Compact Lottery, and Compact Pay

A. Compact Surfing

1. Expect a new layout and design to the site. The site will offer 14% daily for 9 days on your upgrade purchases tentatively. Upgrade units will be $10 USD each and the maximum member balance with active upgrades will be $10,000 USD. Payout Timeframe: Upgrades will become pending in your Cashout History automatically upon expiration. They will be processed within 7 business days following date of expiration. No more having to request cashout. This setup is perfectly clear on when members will be paid. In addition, I will know exactly what is needed ready in my online payment processor accounts each week to process payouts. As such, I can store the majority of funds offline accordingly so that we are no longer at the mercy of gold price fluctuations.

2. Compact forum will still be in place; possibly changed to vbulletin format as I have received feedback requesting this from members.

3. More details to be announced when available.

B. Compact Lottery

1. Expect a new layout and design to the site

2. No more purchasing tickets from cash balance; you will be able to purchase directly from Egold and tentatively Compactpay as well. Winners will be paid within 5 business days following announcement of weekly lucky numbers.

3. Cash prizes will be greater in amount, though the number of winners will be less than the past track record to allow for ease of management in distributing payment of prizes. The amounts for Weekly prizes will be announced on the site as well. Distribution of rewards still to be determined by the administrator.

C. Compact Pay

1. I will work in the coming weeks to develop relationships with exchangers to bring on board to offer funding/withdrawal options for Compact Pay that they will handle individually and efficiently.

3. I welcome any member suggestions with regards to implementing debit cards. Compact Debit Cards are still planned, but due to the current situation, andrecent comments made by members regarding their wishes for certain cards, I have cancelled our previous order for cards. For those of you who prefer Cardoneplus over Virtual Money, and vice versa, please contact Nvus with your reasoning and he will forward me details and I will make a final decision in the coming weeks: cn_nvus@yahoo.com

4. The Shopping
Cart Interface will be made available and upgrades/cashouts through CS via CompactPay will be available as well to coincide with relaunch of CS.

Expect further announcements from me in the comingdays. The Compact Network is here to stay and we are not going anywhere, I assure you all. After 3 months of hard work and dedication I will not give up and I ask that you do not give up on me now either. We have faced obstacles beyond our control in the past several weeks, but the above plan of action will allow us to return, stronger than ever. Thank you all for your continued support.

Sincerely Yours,

Luuk Hendriks
Altus Financial Services Inc.

2006-06-18T12:04:00.000-07:00

Virtual Money Cards

ASA sent me an email a week ago about Virtual Money Cards and for every program that uses Virtual Money Card, ASA does due diligence. Later they sent me another clarification email saying that there are good surf programs that don't use VM too. In other words, VM is a possibly a good predictor, but not the sole one. Of the 7 programs, I am in 5 of them. ASA is a decent place for good surf programs that last long and this is my endorsement. Below are excerpts from their email:

Dear ASA Members-
The landscape of the PTC industry has changed immensely as of late. The fall of PhoenixSurf and WiredSurf have served as reminders that even the biggest programs are vulnerable. Many members have asked us why we don't just simply tell them where to put their money. That's a good question! We have always tried to stay away from promoting sites, sticking to the facts. We let you decide...

We'll give credit where credit is due. We've compiled a list of 7 programs with a solid foundation, proven performance, honest and ethical admins, and the myriad enhancements that separate them from rest of the pack. In short, this is where WE put OUR big money. These are the programs we trust; the ones worthy of your consideration:

1. 24DailyPro
2. Fast Profits Club (I am in.)
3. NowDollar (VM) (I am in.)
4. 13DailyPro (I am in.)
5. AlertPayPro
6. Autosurfing Pros (VM) (I am in.)
7. Alien Trust (VM) (I am in.)

All of these programs have VM integration or are considering using it. The Virtual Money (VM) programs provide extra security for you and your money. Virtual Money, Inc. requires ASA to perform due diligence on each program that wants to use VM. We must decline programs who do not meet our criteria. In other words, if a program takes VM, it's a pretty good bet they're not a scam.

We hope this helps. There's no reason to spend a dime on another program until you've at least considered these. Yes, there are other solid programs out there, but these top our list. We're pretty risk-averse ... we're betting most of you are as well!

Finally, we'd like to ask for your help with something. If you're in a program that doesn't use VM, please request it from their respective admins. Clamor for it ...demand it! Rampage the forums. Put up polls. Please...we need your help in legitimizing this industry and making your money safe is the best way to do that. ASA isn't just Todd and Jake and our staff. It's YOU and every other member. Please make a contribution!

2006-06-18T11:00:00.000-07:00

Nowdollar Due Diligence

Here is another due diligence done on Nowdollar. In particular, one of the strongest selling points is that Lance Barron, the admin of Nowdollar, is a real person and has appeared in ASA videocast live before. No attempt is made to hide his identity. Read Dreamteammoney Post on Nowdollar Due Diligence. We are still early in the surf play with membership just over 2000. Get onboard! I got paid many times already.

2006-06-17T13:02:00.000-07:00

The Perception Game and Compactsurfing

It has been a long 7 days since I last updated simply I was overseas and just came back yesterday. I alway say a month is a long time for a surf. In a week, a lot of things have happened which I will comment on one big one.

Compactsurfing as we all know, has now reverted its payment terms to 7 business days after cashout, which I have always considered a flag. My personal view is that Compactsurfing has totally bungled the PR effort, and here I considered the critical skills a surf program needs to acquire if it is to grow big. It did wrongly on the perception game as follows:

1. Abrupt changes. The autosurfer hates sudden changes to TOS and every change is an indication of a suspicion of a red flag. Here Compactsurfing could have done a better job by announcing its intentions to extend the payout period beforehand say 1 month before.

2. Delaying some payments before the all-important announcement. Again, this is such a big mistake which could have been easily avoided should they plan ahead their cashflow!

3. Lack of communication by admin. Luuk was reported not to be around in the forum when payments are emerging to be a problem. His late entrance did not boost confidence as it was followed by an announcement to stretch the payout period.

What are the solutions if any surf program is to make changes in terms of payout? The best scenario is not to change ever at all. Understanding many surf programs' desire to get money, they want to pay fast to build confidence. If it is, announce simply that the first month is a promotional one for fast returns within 48 hours. On the second month, suggest that it will revert to the original terms and stop at there. The monthly ROI is now at 25% - pretty low for a surf. Well, folks, get real! We have been seduced by the 'unimaginable' high yields and make it 'imaginable' in our games! As of now, the surf world is watching how compactsurfing is handling its reputed returns come today. This is why a reserve is important. Being able to pay fast and promptly in the next 2 weeks, confidence will be restored. Secondly as long as there are external revenues driving this program, these can be used to support the site.

After doing so well, it breaks the cardinal rules that enable the surf to do well. I consider it as a real pity and they should really get Charis Johnson to be their consultant how to manage this perception game. Secondly, keep ample reserves for such an event so that it can make payouts convincingly. Payouts is the BIG thing that matter. Also, it can do a reverse trick by paying everybody faster than 7 business days. In that case, trust is rebuilt again and spends will come in.

Can we go in to Compactsuring? I supposed I don't need to speak the obvious. May the payments be restored to install confidence in Compactsurfing again.

2006-06-11T12:58:00.000-07:00

eDatasurf Closed

Ramesh, the admin sent all its members to announce a sad decison. Edatasurf will be closed effective from 10 Jun 2006. Refunds are now undergoing. What is the basis for Ramesh's decision? Afterall, his site is highly promising and he has a good gameplan which he confirmed to me personally. Here are important exerpts from Ramesh's thinking and feelings:

Well, I started this program only to help fellow surfers to earn better. I sketched every plan right from day one how to project the site, how to pay all you know. I don’t have to explain it again. Profits: I never expected any huge profit from eDs for myself.

Last 5 days I wasn’t in good mood at all. I have to deal with some forum gentlemen who called me liar, cheater whatever the best they can. I have true intentions to run the site at top level. But when I am paying properly, maintaining high customer relationship still do I need to listen these?

Well a scammer can listen to all those and leave it simply. Bcoz his only intention is to scam. I am not here to scam anyone. We had very big attacks upto 50GB traffic in one single day. We survived all. Without protection this is highly impossible. But some people always tried to put eDs down from day 3 if I am right. Simply they tried everything to put eDs down.

We are here. Still standing tall. But the question in my mind is simple. Do I need to run eDs listening to all these people?

Well payouts or refunds? What shall I decide? I am not able to sleep reading those posts. People who dealt with me before eDs days knows about me. I never ever had scam intentions. But I am not able to see my wife crying reading those posts. I too have a heart and 2 lovely children. Those people who called me a liar please I request at least after this leave me to sleep peacefully. I am exactly accepting what are you expecting. Yes I am closing down. I cannot listen to those wordings again.

Well saying this I request members to understand we are financially very strong. I have no intention to close the site till now too. Well I can’t see my wife crying. She got nothing to do with this business. But she read those posts. Sorry I lost my sleep for last some days. You all know how hard I worked on those 5 days when we had attacks. I almost worked non-stop. I forgot even my children’s face. In fact refund amount is bigger than payout amount of this week. This is the right proof that I am not closing the site bcoz of financial crisis.

When I see my family I have to decide this. I am working 16 hours a day. Most of the part what eats my time is investments. Not a very simple work. Very big work. I am a single man have to handle investments. Read a lot, calculate everyday. I am really tired plus handling whiners, attackers and black mailers.

My heart felt apologies for not able to fulfill my promise of making eDs big. I had that only aim to make eDs as big as possible. But I am sorry. Some wordings can change life. I don’t want to deal with the likes of some forum people. I am no scammer. But sure I am a loser at present.

I assure none of you will lose your original purchased money. Maximum of the members are known to me or close to me. I will never put you down. Please don’t worry.

Not like some programs says, “we are refunding” kind of wordings are not here. I promise I will refund each and every one of you without fail.

I am sorry for things happening beyond my control. When it comes to family, I have no choice but to decide with family. I request members to please understand me. I won’t scam anyone and your refunds will hit for sure.

My thinking is that the family consideration is the Key on Ramesh's decision. He is running a AS site with only his cousin as a helper. Come on, this is a big job for a fast-growing site - he has to reply to emails, go to the forums, do payments, programming the site, site admin etc. Naturally, his immediate family especially his wife, will get a hit. His wife isn't happy that Ramesh is spending so much time to meet the ever-increasing demands of its members. The trigger comes when a member of HYIPdiscussion forum alleged the possibility of Ramesh lying by not having prolexic as claimed. See HYIPdiscussion Thread on eDatasurf. Ramesh provided the necessary proofs and the reference person to talk in Prolexic, and all in all, I reckon there is no issue of Ramesh lying. In the internet, one could not lie and get away. Anyway, some of the allegations are based on utter lack of technical understanding of the forumers on how an anti-DDOS system work. It is also the manner in which the allegation is made perhaps a softer approach will be better. Mrsvee, an expert in such things, later confirmed it as well. Refunds are now on the way for everybody, and however, there is talk to have Ramesh consider getting an admin team to help in running eDatasurf if there is ever a possibility of resuscitating it. See Discussion on AC Cafe. It is a pity this one ends so early as I think it has so much potential to become a Top Surf Play and we are still hoping some good solution will come out of it.

2006-06-09T12:05:00.000-07:00

9 Jun 2006 - Top 10 Surfs

Here again I reviewed my Top 10 Surfs as I ranked them in my portfolio. It has been 25 days since I last updated! Sorry guys, it takes time for me to sit down and write. I am taking my time to compile this blog for the benefit of all. In a surf play, 25 days is a long time! From the last review on 15 May, 9 surfs stay in the Top 10 and only 1 surf is removed due to closure - not bad! Basically, I need to let you there are 2 types of plays in my Top 10 which I put together: the first are those with a certain longevity comprising normally 50% of the Top 10 and the other 50% is about surfs which I reckon are in the running to make money as they gain popularity. The early bird catches its worm provided you found the RIGHT KIND of bird. Read all my articles of being a Gamer, a mentality to see these autosurfs and HYIPs and making money out of it. Going in early will not make money if the sites do not have what it takes to be good plays and again, we always speak of probability and not certainty as gamers. If you game, this blog's reviews is for you!

Here they are my Top 10:
1. Compactsurf
2. Nowdollar
3. Surfing Frenzy
4. Xperthits
5. eDataSurf
6. Gladiator
7. Solidtrust
8. Netinvestautosurf
9. Dadndaves
10. 13dailypro - New Entry

Commentary (those in):

1. Compactsurf - It is undoubtedly the TOP PLAY not just here but also the whole internet. Its membership has surpassed 20,000. CompactPay has just been launched. We are talking about the possibility of the next 12dailypro and remember it is far lower yielding than 12dailypro, 40-50% monthly ROI and it is the only one of the two Surf Plays to have the expensive Prolexic as its anti-DDOS system. Mind you, that is expensive and it just got installed recently. It is only one that seeks to diversify into other income sources which is good for longevity. As long as there is no negative perception, it got a chance. It has just completed its 3rd Month so far. I have decided to let it stay in my Top 10. So far it has shifted its payout period to 4 days from 2 days. There are some neurotic noises from Autosurfers but it is not enough to shake me as yet but I think it wil be still ok unless it could not meet obligations for the 4-day period. Ultimately, it should move to 7-day period when membership grows enormously. I am rooting to be the next 12dailypro that it will stay to live beyond 6 months, preferably even a year. This site has done everything right and smooth so far, but I will switch my view at the slightest hint of trouble. Read more in Smartcash's Review on Compactsurfing

2. Nowdollar - Still very much in low profile as I get enquiries on it every now and then. It is picking lots of interests in the blogs but not yet in the forums! So it is still an early play. It did well to pass the DDOS test with flying colors. Now the site is undergoing revamp while still allowing us to surf. Short of repeating myself, read the Smartcash's Review on Nowdollar

3. Surfing Frenzy - 20% monthly yield and seriously, I know Lucki and Suzanna the admins through Yahoo Group Forum for which we are all members. They are thoroughly honest folks and pay very promptly always within 24 hours after expiry of upgrade. If you want an honest surf, get involved in this one. This one confirms that they have outside business streams and they are great gamers as well. Lucki's List and Suzanna's Interested People Group have got a list of plays but mostly, they are the kind who take good calculated conservative risks with a sprinkling of some high-risk at times. It drops a notch down as Nowdollar gets a better yield!

4. Xperthits - From members' enquiry about this program thru my blog, I realise this program is now private. I have checked with Mel Jones and she will be opening her program at a time yet to be announced. Her site pays 1% for 180 days, again on the low side compared to other surf programs but she will not run away with my money!

5. eDataSurf - Ramesh has got himself a DDOS protection for his site and when we are surfing now, we don't realise it but it has got prolexic non-IP version, which is likely to be upgraded to the IP version once membership hits a certain status. This will be the next big thing soon. I sign up really fast on it and it shoots right up to the Top 10 here. I reckon this site will last for a while, and Ramesh has indicated that he has outside business streams ie being an egold exchanger in India, edatamerge etc.

6. Gladiator - Michael Soliven is still paying with 24 hours after expiry. Not a bad record! It is one of the most active in working to get referral income thru his list. From a program's perspective, I think it is a good thing to earn outside income and not be overally dependent on members' upgrades. My only concern is that it is approaching into the 3rd month of existence and it is moving in a danger zone. Overall, it is a near 70% monthly ROI surf, kind of high yield in my view. I will be taking a more serious look on its sustainability soon.

7. Solidtrust - The 1% surf which the owners, Marc and Stella, are one of the best communicating. If you take a look at the site, this one tries to have other sources of income thru advertising, and they have listed their businesss registration number in the site. It has been around for 3-odd months already and in terms of yield, I don't think they have problems delivering returns at the moment.

8. Netinvestautosurf This program pays 1% every day for 250 days - somewhat lower yield but frankly, I reckon this program will last long. The sister program, Netinvesthyip, rakes in 15% return on its debut. Not bad! Alex Maina is going to get this AS program to stay private and focus more on the HYIP which is forex-driven. Alex is realistic about its yields and if you want an honest play, this is it. Get involved in the HYIP, and if you need a referral from me, drop me an email.

9. Dadndaves - Again, I downgraded Dadndaves a few notches from my last review. I have to be objective about money but I am quietly rooting for this to roar again. It is in a tough stage due to its commitment to pay members' funds due from Scampay's crime. It has been real tough on them as they have lost a lot of money on other autosurfs and HYIPs as a result of Scampay's fiasco. Dave has to draw from his personal funds and this is a gallant man. Now the key thing is for Dave to identify programs which make sense and yields 1% or even less a day, allows for compounding daily or weekly. In other words, all he needs to do is to get into programs that yield above 30% a month. I think that is achievable with the right contacts, good sources of income flow and revert to the old biz model to garner referral income which Dave is doing. Notice in his site, he is recommending good safe plays. That pretty says much about Dave.

10. 13dailypro. It has hit MMG Top 10 in terms of pageviews. It is growing in interest and its payment is the fastest in town - within 24 hours, sometimes 1 or 2 hours! I am impressed and if a site can pay very fast, it has room to grow. I have been paid a few rounds already. Read Smartcash's Review on 13dailypro

Those out of Top 10: (since last update)

Epaysurf. Kent has quit the game and blamed it on members. I got nothing to say he was a great communicator but we all know it is a game. As I can't seriously verify this soap opera story, let us just move on. Whether it is a scam or not, it is for one's emotions, and certainly not useful in making your mark or MONEY as a gamer. Read his comments below:

Sorry for the delay in getting any kind of an update to you.

As many of you know, we have been having difficulties getting funds from the broker which I was using. It has been a real nightmare trying to get funds back to me to make payouts.

Funds are beginning to move, but we have run into another problem. This is a problem which is very serious. It seems that there are a number of members and non-members alike that have decided long ago to take EPay Surf down with whatever means that they could. At this point, it seems that they have succeeded.

It is with great great sorrow and sadness of heart, that I am announcing the closure of EPay Surf and all of its programs. With the different investigations, charge backs and other junk that has been thrown at me during this time, I cannot continue forward with EPay Surf nor any of its programs.

Over the past many weeks, I have told you that once I get the funds, the payouts will begin. Apparently these nay sayers would not take me at my word and began a campaign to take EPay Surf down. It sickens me to have to close the doors on something that could have helped so many people.

Privy Opps members will receive full refunds as soon as the funds hit my account. Epay Surf members will get refunds until the money runs out, after the funds run out for refunds, then we will officially be closed and out of business. Refunds will come when I get the funds, no sooner. Chargebacks are just another way to delay this process. And incidentally, I will be paying out the EPay Surf supporters first and then working down the line from there. I know who the supporters are, so dont try to sweet talk me now. You bash a program, you better be prepared for the consequences.

It has been a hard road these past couple of months, and the thing that makes me so irritated is the fact that we could have made it out of this hole, if only people would have trusted me and been a little more patient and alot less vicious. I have never been called the things that people were calling me in my life. Never been accused of the things that I was accused of in my entire life. (None of which were true).

It seems though, that if people dont need to face you, they can say anything and get away with it. Most of the people that said these things are cowards to the core and would be afraid to face me one on one. They blow alot of hot air, but are empty shells inside and they love to strike out and hurt others no matter what the cost, and in this case, the cost was EPay Surf.

When I first entered this arena, it was with the sincere desire to help people. I truly think, given another couple of weeks, that we could have pulled this thing out and really made it big. But I am tired, and fed up with the garbage that people are pitching. I really dont need the stress anymore.

What does the future hold? Well, in all honesty I am not sure what direction to pursue. I think there is still a core group of members that would like to see me proceed forward with something a little smaller. Perhaps I will do that. At this point I am really not sure. We will just have to see where things go.

So with all of that said, and with a tearful good bye, I bid you all a pleasant and heartfelt good-bye. Thanks to the great supporters of this program. Thanks to those of you that sent so many emails, that truly kept me going. Thanks to everyone that worked so hard to make EPay Surf what it was. I am sorry that I let you down, and I hope that you will forgive me.

Best Regards.

Kent

Smartcash's dictum:
That is it, folks, my Top 10. Remember to get out before they get you out!

2006-06-06T14:03:00.000-07:00

6 Jun 2006 - Review about Probability in HYIP Gameplay

This was an old article in Goldentalk Forum but it is in line with my notions of strategy and principles in gameplay for HYIPs. Click Study of Probability to read.

There are 2 groups of people in the world of AS and HYIP. The first looks for genuine investments and they get disgusted with the ponzis and scams etc. You find a lot of such people in HYIPdiscussion, Goldentalk, PCF forum etc. However,the record has been pretty mixed in terms of success as even so-called genuine programs turn out to be scams or unworkable after a while. Even if they have a chance to make money thru scams, these fellows will still abhor such possibilities. The second group couldn't be bothered whether it is real investments or not. They just want to make money, do their hits and run tactics whatsoever. Even if it is declared a ponzi or scam, they will still want to get involved.

I will not deal with ethics here as far as I am concerned which group you wish to belong. Frankly it is your own call. However, I am not exactly comfortable nor wish to get involved with programs that are obviously scamming. I mean all the signs are clearcut and secondly, for an important reason, these scammers are more wily than each of us can imagine. So my advice is to avoid them like plague, and you are likely to lose if you want to match wits with them.

What then is a gamer? As a gamer, one basically gives the benefit of doubt to all high-yielding programs being genuine through a criteria. Due to the lack of complete transparency in internet programs, we normally resort to making intelligent guesses how genuine a program can get. This first criteria deals with authenticity or honesty. Secondly, we follow thru another criteria for those programs that have a strong chance to give you a good ROI and likely to continue for a longer period. This second one deals with competence.

End of day, we are here to make money, and NOT to do charity. Honesty of a program is not good enough if you wish to follow the criteria for authenticity alone. It is both honesty and competence that we want to see in programs. Hence it is all about this important notion of probability. The earlier we develop the skills how to examine and size up odds, the better you become as a gamer.

On the right-hand section of the blog entitled 'Secrets for success in AS', you will find a collection of articles that I wish to build up and they contain valuable tips and tricks about becoming a good gamer in this world of AS and HYIPs. I will make an effort to compile to the benefit of all who are following my thoughts and philosophical musings.

May you be successful in online ventures!

2006-06-05T10:53:00.000-07:00

5 Jun 2006 - Nowdollar is UP and RUNNING.

I am impressed of the speed in which this program gets its site up and running, defeating a major DDOS attack. I previously mention that program is already well-prepared for such a scenario and it sure passes this test well.

Let me say Nowdollar is the only of the 2 AS sites besides Compactsurfing to have the famed Prolexic as the Major Anti DDOS system. It is the same system used by e-gold. Compactsurfing is already rated as the top hot surf of the moment but Nowdollar isn't. This is why as a gamer, I look with favour on Nowdollar and I like it when the noise isn't around. Its membership is only 1500, a long way from Compactsurfing's over 20,000 members.

Lance has announced an increase in the rebate to 9% for 15 days, or 135%. For those that see this is a red flag it was actually part of his plan from the day he launched. Just as the maximum upgrade was only $1500 to start and is now $7000, he intended to increase the rebate as the program grew. He was simply letting the program get it's cash flows established and build it's reserves. There will be another change when the program reaches 3500 members. This change takes effect June 1st. It will apply to all upgrades both new and existing. So if you have an upgrade active it will simply start earning you more starting June 1st.

I have been touting this rather a lot and I think there is a good basis for it. Jump onto the bandwagon if you haven't. Don't miss a great play!

All the good reasons to play Nowdollar: Review on Nowdollar

2006-06-04T12:23:00.000-07:00

4 Jun 06 - Latest Updates on Nowdollar

I think we had it about DDOS attacks. These are posts from Lance at ASA and Lance is calling the bluff off those behind the DDOS attacks :
Reposted AC Cafe

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Just a quick update. NowDollar.com has been hit by Ddos attack that started Friday morning, The Ddos protection we had in place was overwhelmed and our servers had to be shut down. We have put in place protections so this can not happen again. Thank you all for your support and NowDollar should be back up and running sometime this afternoon. We are looking to extend all active Advertising packages to make up for lost surfing yesterday. The attack that is coming in now is not doing any damage. They are just wasting time. I have my own personal thoughts about the person or persons behind this attack but I will not voice my opinions in public. Just know this, the entire Data Base is backed up and on the new server. When things come back up I will send out a email to our Members and our Mods will post here.

This attack is from people who do not like the fact we are taking steps to protect our members. Lets face it, if they can not get to your money they cant make a living. Again, let me say thank you for your understanding in this matter.

Lance
Admin NowDollar.com

2006-06-03T13:34:00.000-07:00

3 Jun 06 - Update on Nowdollar

This time, the criminals of this DDOS attack will be hunted down.

"APP
Spoke to Rob,
Yes this is a huge attack. Over 2 Million hits per second. Right now he is doing everything he can do stop it. What is most interesting is when they hit Nowdollar.com these BXXX screwed up. Now there will be major investigations launched since Nowdollar's hosting companies hosts some of our nations largest banks.
NowDollar.com is hosted with the third largest hosting company in the world. It seems that a lot of the legit sites are under attack! Several of the worlds largest hosting companies are watching very closely, since some of their clients are even US Banks. These actions will bring a major investigation into the source of these attacks. These criminals are definitely being tracked as we speak!

Jake
AutosurfAuthority"

2006-06-02T14:08:00.000-07:00

2 Jun 06 - Nowdollar update on latest DDOS attack

I simply like an admin who is well prepared. Simply great. I am highly recommending it.

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Just a quick note to let our Members know what is going on. First let me say all the data base dats is safe. Our staff has started processing Cash Out Request for today. We will also be taking and allowing Cash Out request that will be paid Sunday. So
those of you who were not able to place cash out request before Noon today will still be able to get paid this weekend. We are setting up an alt server so our members will be able to surf, request cash outs and Purchase Advertising. Our forum should be back up sometime today. Thank you for your understanding in this matter.

Lance

2006-06-02T13:14:00.000-07:00

2 Jun 2006 - Nowdollar under DDOS attack

DDOS attacks are common for sites up and coming. Anyway, Nowdollar is already well prepared for such a scenario as its hosting is an excellent one, and is said to be what some major corporations are using. The DDOS protection will need to be activated and it should be in a day or two.

2006-06-01T12:02:00.000-07:00

1 Jun 06 - - Why Nowdollar and Compactsurf are in my Top 10? Part 2

This is a second part of my review and uses compactsurfing to illustrate what one needs to look for a surf that can last. There are very few with such criteria and it is not too difficult to find them either if you examine carefully. Compactsurf is now rated as the hottest surf in town, and a surf that I have been paid countless times. In both MMG and Talkgold, it receives the second highest pageviews for any AS after Alientrust. It has been around since early March and is approaching to the end of its 3rd month. It membership is now near 20,000 and this number is regarded as a big achievement, and in a danger zone.

This surf came right after the Scampay fiasco when many are still skeptical about autosurfs. What are the few things it did right?

1. First of all, it does not hide its identity but declares it openly.

Incorporation:
The Company was incorporated in the Republic of Panama on the 4-th day of January 2006, with Registration Number 17452, the Public Registry number is File 512478, Document 889735, Public Deed no. 17452. The directors of the Company are Isis del Carmen Lara G, Dnaiel Isaac Chi and Aknia Chi Pardo. It was noted that the start Share Capital of the Company is $10,000 divided into 100 shares of $100 each.

Our company is licensed financial company. We got one of the most important licensed, we have Commercial License Type "A", so we can operate everything we want legal plus: online payment processor (compactpay.com) , debit cards marketing and management (compactdebitcards.com) , bullion trading.

At this office you can visit a representative of our company or mail us:

Altus Financial Services Inc.
The Century Tower
20th Floor, Suite 2007
Avenida Ricardo J. Alfaro
Panama City, Republic of Panama

You can mail us also at:

Altus Financial Services Inc.
700 Central Avenue
Apdo. 409-2400
Desamparados
San Jose, Costa Rica

Altus Financial Services Inc.
Ricardo Arias Avenue, Advance Tower, Floor 11th Office B
Panama City, Republic of Panama

Altus Financial Services Inc.
PO Box 2411-0834, Panama City, Panama

If you want to contact us:
Toll free: +1.800.650.7089
USA phone line: +1.213.985.1909
Liechtenstein phone line: +423.66300.9578
Fax +507.264.6361

2. Many people have been reported to speak to Luuk, the admin and other staff directly. If you want, you can pay them a visit in Panama. Again, I stress the importance of this transparency. It is similar to what you see in 12dailypro, Alien Trust, Xperthits, Surfing Frenzy, Nowdollar ...just to name a few ...hey, they are all in my Top 10 surfs! Time and again, the admins are real and one can locate them around.

3. With such a strong site identity, the whois check becomes a non-issue.

4. Taking a look at the business plans, one is impressed with the list. Compactlottery, Compactpay, Compactnetwork, Compactheart ...etc etc under the branding of Compact, this is a real business in the undertaking. I am further impressed that this surf bothers to carry out its proclaimed plans. Compactheart offers a full range of financial and corporate services based in Panama. Well, Compactlottery was launched a month ago and now has 1000 members. Compactpay is just launched. They are also a true internet marketing company through Compactnetwork. Look at the Compact search engine I have put up in my blog.

5. Basically, I would say this is a program using a site to procure business for other areas and vice versa. Unlike many other programs who just list the businesses, this surf program carries them out. This site allows for bank wires and how many programs can claim this facility?

6. Prompt and fast payments. Payments are furiously fast, and all are happening within 48-hours timeframe. There are 3 cashout requests allowed in a month, with a 4th provided you do an upgrade of a high amount. It is smart to do a 11-day paying cycle and members receive payments, it raises the psychological feelings of confidence and prompt more higher upgrades, which in turn raises the noise of cheerleading.

7. Communicative and responsive admins. They are active in their own forums as well as in MMG.

8 All the while, I have this point to make. Could Compactsurf produce the necessary revenues to move forward to greater heights? It really looks like a company that resorts to AS to get fast funds to churn a legit biz. For a certainty, they are one with genuine intentions and there is no doubt about it. A cycle in Compact pays 13% for 9 days, making it a yield of 17% with 2 days allowed for payments to go through, ROI is at near 50% a month. When a website is done with a comprehensive listed business plans and one sees the unfolding of them, this site has got potential. This is what I reckon and they have unfolded to this day for its strong paying record.

Will it last? This is a tough question I revisit every week. I am already in profits and just rolling profits every month. I still think a surf that pays 50% profits a month, relies on members' upgrades and likely has a reserve fund. It is these business streams that will rake in further profits. Compactpay has a high profit margin and I believe the company will be 'persuading' many of its members to go for it as this is a lifeline to the surf program. Every card has an immediate potential profit margin of $20. 20,000 members mean $400,000 and we are not talking of fees etc etc. Right now, I am comfortable to further recommend this play though I really wish many of you could go in earlier. I have 2 surfs in mind, such as Alien Trust and Total Rune which both last around 6 months. The fourth month is what I called a critical month, and so far the Hall of Fame for such programs are small indeed. I personally wish think Compactsurf will likely make it too but as a gamer, I won't be playing with any risk except the risk on profits. I think about 12dailypro which lasts 10 months and 300,000 members until it is stopped by Scampay. Compactsurf is lower in yields than 12dailypro but makes all the right moves with a friendlier admin and it is a prime possibility to last up to 10 months. Until there are red flags around, I will be going for a roll. It is your call but as it is a 11-day risk, it is worthwhile for 1 round.

2006-06-01T11:58:00.000-07:00

1 Jun 2006 - Nowdollar is highly recommended.

Lance the admin will be appearing in the videocast soon in ASA.

Here is an announcement post from Steve, the moderator in AC Cafe:
OK - want to meet the admin? Watch the ASA video this week: http://www.asamonitor.com/?a=news

He is announcing an increase in the rebate to 9% for 15 days, or 135%. For those that see this is a red flag it was actually part of his plan from the day he launched. Just as the maximum upgrade was only $1500 to start and is now $7000, he intended to increase the rebate as the program grew. He was simply letting the program get it's cash flows established and build it's reserves. There will be another change when the program reaches 3500 members.

This change takes effect June 1st. It will apply to all upgrades both new and existing. So if you have an upgrade active it will simply start earning you more starting June 1st.

He is also going to start a holding account system for members money. You will fund the holding account using egold, Alertpay or the Virtual Money Card. Then you will buy advertising using funds in that account.

As you surf your earnings will accumulate in a cash account, and instead of waiting until your upgrade expires you can request a cash out from your cash account on either Tuesday or Friday. However, you will only be allowed one cashout every 7 days. So if you cash out Tuesday you next available cashout will be the following Tuesday.

If you think this sounds like an Alien Trust set up - well you have been paying attention. Lance has talked and visited with Vince at Alien Trust often over the life of Nowdollar.
. However, Lance is still paying out to egold and Alrtpay as well as the VM card, plus he has two payout days.

In conversation he has told me there will be a fee as you fund the holding account of 3 or 4% (he had not decided when we talked) but this was not mentioned in the video cast. Members will get an email shortly explaining the new terms.

All the good reasons to play Nowdollar: Review on Nowdollar

2006-06-01T11:08:00.000-07:00

1 Jun 06 - 14dailygold closed down.

Jason, the admin reported that it could not withstand the recent DDOS attacks, and hence had to close down with some refunds, though we doubt we will see them. Previously, I have put forward that this one is a big risk with potentially one good cycle and you might be lucky with several more. DDOS attacks do no good to any program relying on members' upgrades. This program was hot climbing up in the charts, and was in 6th place in MMG thread for AS based on pageviews, and also up in alexa rankings. It did make it one cycle but not enough for payment. Well, the 'daily' word in the name is still a taboo and this proves no different as it joins the many who have since entered the scam/closed programs folder.

2006-05-28T16:10:00.000-07:00

28 May 2006 - Why Nowdollar and Compactsurf are in my Top 10? Part 1

This 3-part review is rather special and long as it touches a few interesting distinctives which I found in these 2 surf programs. It provides a clue to what we could be looking for as gamers. Let me begin with Nowdollar.

Nowdollar was started in mid Feb, by Lance, the owner and admin. He made his presence under the nick Redsun and here are some of his first revealing posts in AC Cafe:

AC Cafe posts
This is the first post I have made about the 12DP and StormPay issue. I have been reluctant to do so because my company has been in the process of launching our own AutoSurf. I am amazed at how many people on these forums still think that companies in the AutoSurf Industry are investment companies. That friends is why the problems of the past two weeks have come up. For starters lets get one think out of the way. Legitimate AutoSurf companies are not investment sites. I have read several Terms and Conditions from these companies and not one states they accept investments. It is clear by reading post here that members of the Legitimate companies still think they are investors. It simply is not true. These AutoSurf companies go out of their way to make sure members are informed of their business model. My Media group has been working for some time now on putting together a AutoSurf company that will help the average person or small business professional advertise their web sites as well as make money. We are in no way shape or form a Investment company. Our terms and conditions stat that to the letter. So if you are convinced you have invested your money in a AutoSurf program you did not read the terms of your membership.

To break this down for you I am going to explain the AutoSurf Industry to you in very simple terms.

When you join a AutoSurf company you have two options. Option #1: you are a free or no paying member of that company and you are only entitled to advertise a limited number of sites for a specific time. Yes you still get hits on your site from paying members from all over the globe. But you do not get to earn any income for viewing web sites your self. Why? Because to earn with that company you must purchase a membership. So Option #2: Purchase a membership based on the amount of money you afford to spend at that time. As a paying member the AutoSurf company then pays you to help them achieve their goal of delivering web hits to their members free or paid. In some cases you can list more than one web site to the rotation and earn credits for you own sites by viewing others.

Where the confusion comes in is when member think their membership fees are investments. They are not. You have purchased a membership to have the rights and privileges that come with that membership. In most cases the biggest is being able to be paid. So what is the difference you may ask? In an investment company you invest money and expect a return on your investment without having to do anything. When you buy a membership with your money, you have bought the right to earn money by surfing web sites. Buying a membership in a AutoSurf company is no different then buying a tube of tooth past at Wal-Mart or buying a classified add in our local news paper. You have just purchased a service. When you go to a restaurant do you consider it an investment when you purchase their food? No. When you buy items at BestBuy or Wal-Mart do you consider the money spent an investment? No. Then why would you think that the service you purchase from a AutoSurf company would be any different? I think you get my point.

So now to the Ponzi or Pyramid scheme issue. Storm pay and several news agencies consider the AutoSurf Industry one of these schemes by saying they rely on new memberships and reoccurring fees. Yes the AutoSurf Industry does rely on new members and reoccurring fees, but are they alone? No. Mr. Newsman what would happen if your news agency or network didn’t get any new companies to advertise their commercials with you. And what would happen if your existing companies did not renew their advertising contracts. It would not be long until you are out of business. So are T.V. stations Ponzi or Pyramid schemes? I mean by their definition they rely on new advertising companies and reoccurring fees to operate. What about the banking industry in America. They rely on new customers opening accounts and getting loans. They also rely on existing customers staying with them. Hmmm… according to StormPays views our entire Banking system is a Ponzi scheme.

I am not here to promote my AutoSurf company, I have not even given you the name. I just wanted everyone to know that there is a company entering the AutoSurf Industry that has a staff attorney and is willing and able to defend this Industry at all cost. We will not let this Industry go quietly into the night. We are structured to endure the storm and ensure that not just our Future Members but every member of a legitimate AutoSurf company will have this wonderful opportunity for years to come.

Thank you for your time.

Lance

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The membership fees are one source of paying the surf earning to members. But there are other ways to generate revenue in the AutoSurf Industry. I will list a few here but keep in mind this is not all of them.

#1 If a person runs a business in any industry they have a vested interest in that industry. I also own a Aviation charter company located in Dallas TX. Therefore I have a vested interest in the Aviation Industry. My AutoSurf company is no different I have a vested Interest (and this is true with almost all AutoSurf Owners) I will invest in other companies. Look at it like this, If my company is paying 5% and I put membership fees in a company paying 8% then I am making a 3% profit perday. The vested interest principal applies to all industries world wide, just pick one and research it out. I do the some with my private investment company.

#2 Owners of AutoSurf companies, if they are smart will find investments outside of the Industry. ie. .real estate, construction, wholesale etc… The possibilities are endless if a savvy business person just looks.

Now keep in mind these are just a few options open to the business owner. The outside investments by no means are limited to just these two options.

Thank you for your honest response.

Lance

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Post on 20 Apr 06 at Nowdollar forum:

Nowdollar Forum Post

We are excited to announce we have been in business for two full months. We owe our success to you, our outstanding Members. Thank you all for supporting NowDollar.com.

Here is a quick run down of what we have achieved over the past two months.

When we first started accepting Members, our Max deposit amount was $1500. We did this to ensure solid and steady growth. We have since moved the Limit to $3500. Starting tonight at Midnight we will now have a max upgrade level of $5000 and no limit to how many upgrades you can have running at one time.

We started with the Pay Processors of EMO, AlertPay, Ebullion and Egold. We all know what the deal is with EMO. We are still paying back our EMO Members everyday. We had to drop Ebullion because of lack of use, and AlertPay because of issues we could not overcome. We have not had any problems with Egold and continue to use them. Egold in my personal opinion is the most solid pay processor available to us at this point.

We Made our first pay outs on March 7, 2006 and have now paid out 44 days straight.

Our reserve fund has almost doubled from what we started with. Our Staff Places the NowDollar funds in several Places. The most solid of which is long term investments. These investments will start paying us back in June. At this point we will no longer have to rely on our reserve fund to pay pending cash outs. That day is Fast approaching.

We have never had any server issues. We use a dedicated server from the hosting company Verio/NTT. One of the most trusted names in the Hosting Industry. Our server is monitored 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Our Scripts and programming is handled by professional career programmers.

We have a Long Term Business Model in place for the next 3 years. At that point we will reevaluate this company and make changes if necessary.

If you have any suggestions that would make this program better please send them to admin@nowdollar.com. We are listening.

We have several promotions coming this summer that you will not want to miss.

Thank you all again for your support.

Lance

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To date, Nowdollar got only near 1300 members, a paltry record compared to say, Compactsurfing with near 20,000. However, I have been with Nowdollar and its record is impressive. Prompt and fast payments so far, and all within 24-hours timeframe. It has been paying for 65 days.

Ok, here are some reasons why I look upon this surf impressively.

1. The admin, Lance. He has an aviation background in real life biz with some experience in forex trading. One of the things that strike me is his communication and responsiveness. I have friends who have communicated with him and all of them testify to his promptness in replies and being upfront. He has striked me as a business savvy person.

2. The site has no hidden whois or shows any attempt to fake. This is thoroughly verified. Also there is dedicated server and dedicated hosting which have been verified.

3. Payment by Nowdollar is very fast and prompt, and it is the fastest I have known, all less than 24 hours. The yield is a monthly ROI of 40% - somewhat lower but it is good for longevity.

4. Its growth is slow and steady, and so far it only has near 1300 members. By now, its reputation is going to be fast spreading and in MMG, the number of page views are still only less than 5000 due to lack of admin's presence. This is rather low and is pretty indicative of the lack of cheerleading. As I scan around the blogs and forums and comparing it to a month ago, I begin to notice some rise of cheerleading. This is good news for me as a gamer.

The above 4 aspects are cardinal principles are what a gamer looks for in a site and it is a matter of time more will know about it. Taking at face value what Lance has to say, he is using a reserve fund to pay and by June, the funds from long term investments are coming back. As this site is still new and unknown, and with an ambitious admin, I am comfortable. I am looking to see the other business streams coming online for Nowdollar. This is to make good Lance's promise of lasting 3 years which no AS site has done so far. The most I think about was Studio Traffic which lasted 2 years but it was a low-yielding program. For the longer term, I will assess as to his program's viability to last and this will be dependent on other biz streams which I hope to see this program reveal more in the months ahead.

This play is still on in my view :-) Strictly speaking, a game and I reckon it can still last for a while. Look out for my Part 2 review on Compactsurfing and Part 3 review on criteria to look for surfs for gamers!

2006-05-23T10:33:00.000-07:00

23 May 2006 - End of the Phoenix(surf)
From: Gary Lloyd
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: NME UPDATE

Hey Guys,
For those of you that on the NME update call last night you are privy to some of this information, however those of you not on the call for NME last night you will want to read this email to get updated on the current status of NME and PS. I will be getting word from Jonathan very shortly on what exactly is going to be the process for the next two weeks as we revamp the system. The main thing you want to tell your associates is everyone's current advertising purchases are safe and accounted for.

Here are the initial events that lead to the current decision on NME and PS. During the weekend NME leaders had a meeting with the heads of theconsulting company hired to run the PS program. NME leaders were looking into reasons why problems were continuing to mount after the company said they were taking care of all the issues we asked them to take care of. Many of you were dealing with these issues on a daily basis from after the DDOS attack as far as the missing upgrades from surfing holidays, incorrect dates on upgrades, lack of customer support, and incorrect upgrades amounts. During the meeting it was found out that the employees running PS were actually stealing from our program and sabotaging the accounting data. This was certainly noticeable during the last automatic upgrade performed by the consultant company. NME has now taken back full access and control of PS and its support system from the company and has legal council working on getting back the stolen funds from the consultant company. However, like I said before everyone's current advertising purchases are safe and 100% accounted for. So what is next..

During the next two weeks all the errors caused by the consultants hired to run PS will be fixed. I am waiting on the word whether or not the payouts will or will not include commissions and the exact time frame the payouts will occur. On the call Jonathan the CEO stated that he is looking at a two week time frame to have all the errors fixed, payouts issued, and the new secure program up and running. Now the terms and conditions for the revamped program were not discussed and we will all be briefed on those with in the next two weeks. Upgrades are currently disabled until
further notice while they take care of all the accounting errors. Please continue to surf out your remaining ad packages and wait for further instructions.

Please pass this on to all your associates.

To the Future,
Gary
Director of NME Mid-West

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Phoenix began in the aftermath of Scampay and 12dailypro. The MMG thread indicated the start date as 20 Feb 2006. It began with so much fanfare. It tried to use 12dailypro situation to drum publicity for itself but in its launch, it proclaimed unabasedly itself wanting to revolutionise the whole AS industry. We saw nothing of that sort as it boasted of having lawyers to vet its practices and an experienced management team - a big question mark.

Three months is the record for a surf payment structure of 15% in 8 days, and a payment delay period of 7 days, so in other words, its yield is only a monthly ROI of 40%. What went wrong? The problem was to begin with a lack of capital which I suspected to be the case for Phoenixsurf. Well it was hot for a while with a multitude of cheerleaders but the momentum failed at some point of time. To me, this was the second problem - it talked too much and beyond what sounded credible [Hint: Be wary of highly talkative and high-sounding admins.] In a ponzi structure, as long as the amount of funds coming in could not match those going out, it would run into problems. Hence this is what happened I suspect. It was hot but only for a small period of time. Its fast-track was switched off several times which they claimed to be a technical fault, but it was the fast payments that was finally the nail to bring it down. If they have stuck to a 7-day payout period, they might last longer.

The second failure was to derive meaningful alternative business streams. All in all, I always remarked that they were a young idealistic fellows out to do something but had little to show. I reckoned that their intentions are well-meant. It was to build a base of subscribers and from there, it seeked to derive alternative business income. The pixelads was an outdated idea and come on, who really bothered to click on the small pixels. There was also an attempt I believe to have a synergy with the affiliate marketing in NME but it didn't work out. This was followed by an attempt to have its own payment processor. It borrowed heavily from Alientrust I reckoned, by having a great template, and wanted to create a first-class publicity effort. There was the ubiquitous Autosurfinvestigators which appeared out of nowhere to vet Phoenixsurf as satisifying the sound business standards but offering few reasons why so. The last failed attempt was to launch Ad Titans which the AS crowd saw thru' as a poor attempt to raise funds. It got a person with a poor reputation to run the program and later disclaimed having any assoication.

Young fellows with idealism - they were certainly out of touch with the autosurfers who could read and perceive problems so well. It claimed 10,000 subscribers after one month or so in existence, and that in a surf, is phenomenal. I wasn't sure whether to believe them.

Trust - the all-important ingredient between the subscribers and program, is broken here. Unless it deals with this issue of true refunding, the AS subscribers will view Phoenix with suspicion and it is pretty hard to rise again as they proclaim they want to move forward with a revamped program.

2006-05-23T10:15:00.000-07:00

23 May 2006 - End of Nobssurf

Nobssurf went down yesterday. It didn't get past 2 paying cycles. In other words, each player only got the maximum of 1 chance to get paid or none. Look at the interesting figures which the admin planned as a 18-day cycle for an upgrade - it started on 12 Apr and the first payment went out on 30 Apr. The next cycle ends on 18 May which was near last weekend. It promised to pay within 72 hours on upgrade expiry and that it where it closed down. It isn't an ambitious scammer to want to last for more paying cycles. However, the Nobssurf admin said the right words such as dedicated server etc and the site identity was basically sound and even Jake from Autosurf Authority, usually known for its meticulous site data verification remarked yesterday that he was sure this was due to the server being down. I don't hold so much hope now as the communicative admin stops talking in the forums. I went in early May for a spent and we heard how the admin explained his detailed business plan and he sounded alright. However, along the way, I noted that the referral fees he was prepared to pay out in the first referral contest - unusually high all at $4000 and this was one doubt I had. I kept my fingers crossed and hoped it isn't what I think might possibly happen. Anyway, time to move on.

2006-05-21T20:19:00.000-07:00

21 May 2006 - Review of Internet's Top 10 Hottest Surfs

Here is a review of Internet Top 10 hottest. I will use the pageviews in MMG as a basis. Of all the forums, both MMG and Talkgold rank the highest in terms of visitors. Much of the noise can be seen there. In my view, MMG edges out Talkgold for threads and traffic on Surf programs. The pageviews indicated here are those of 2 days ago when I tracked them on my spreadsheet.

Since the last review on 12 May, there have been some changes. The Top 5 hottest are Alientrust, Compactsurf, Wiredsurf, Dadndaves and TotalRune, with only Phoenix falling out and TotalRune moving up into the Top 5.

Commentary (Those In)

1. Alientrust (410,716). The hot kid on the block that came in Nov last year, turned out now to be a veteran and still going strong. Some interesting firsts on Alientrust - it was the first to craft a totally new design apart from the usual script used by AS, it was based on a weekly payout (which totally stumped everyone on its capability to pay) and the use of expensive servers and hosting ie Rackspace. It was truly unfortunate that Alientrust was derailed for a while by Scampay cos otherwise, it might be on the way to reach 12dailypro's record of 300,000 subscribers. Alientrust is now ranked as the hottest surf in town but is regarded as 'old' by gamers. How long will it go on? Not too long ago, it made some controversial decisions - verification of subscribers and insistence of VM cards at the exclusion of other surf programs. Many recent surf programs learned from AT NOT to do the same ie insistence of VM on its subscribers and sharing of VM card with other surfs. AT needs to think about getting new players or keeps the momentum alive in this constant changing landscape of surfs. At this point, I can only say I am impressed that it has lasted this long. How long more? - that is a good question which you should have your own answer but as a gamer, I am out of this one. Weekly payout allows you to breakeven fast in this surf.

2. Compactsurf (222,655). The latest new kid that is on the rush to catch up with Alientrust. Only started in 4 Mar in the aftermath of Scampay when all of us are weary, it has now in my view is the top fast-growing surf at the moment. It withstood a DDOS attack and it did not struggle with payouts - still paying within 48 hours after expiry of upgrade and that is impressive. It allowed 3 payouts which I reckoned is good for longevity, one less than AT. This is only going into 3 months in existence and more are joining the bandwagon. I keep hearing of friends joining the first time - goodness me, I have already been paid countless in this surf. Its goal is to get the non-surf inclined individuals to join like what 12dailypro did. I am betting this one will last much longer due to diversified businesses which now include Compactlottery and Compactpay. Compactpay will be rolling out soon and here is one up for Compact. It will not force its subscribers to use Compactpay learning from AT's experience. One clue I noticed that surfs reaching the top, is to have a good business plan, big budget and team to carry them out. AT did have a budget and team as well. Get my hint?

3. Wiredsurf (154,537). It managed to get out of DDOS attack and resumed payments - something which I noticed it struggled previously. It made an attack on a famous blogger who questioned whether this will last. Look here, bloggers and fellow netizens made comments and the surf program simply had to overcome the problems. Paying promptly will eradicate all talk and the fact that it struggled with payments, clearly showed something. At the moment, all Wiredsurf needs to do is to work on payments and all things especially trust will resume. It also made a drastic shift in pay structure in line with current competitors. Wiredsurf, in my view, created a first in surf industry by being highly comprehensive with a business plan! This surf has been around for 3 months only.

4. Dadndaves (127,232). This got to be the longest running surf on record, besides Profoundhits. It just hit its one year in existence. Dadndaves have finished paying off its latest payments and now is launching its new promotion for new subscribers. Any attempt to get new money is a red flag. I am sure Dave Cannard know all about red flags and afterall, he was instrumental in coaching all of us about it, being the Gamer himself. I think Dadndaves is still in the business of surfing although it claims that it has other businesses. It has upped its payment into 1% per day, back to its glorious days, now this is valid for 400 days. I have said it before that all surf programs need new subscribers for it to continue. After honouring the Scampay's subscriptions, Dadndaves got a legitmate basis to go back to get funds - but it is not necessary to be in dire straits in my view. So a successful raising will stand this surf to be in good shape especially many more surf programs are offering higher percentages which Dadndaves ride on.

5. TotalRune (83,082). Another surf program that launched itself from pre-Scampay era. It is paying weekly and is still doing so. However, surfing is slow and upgrades are put into manual mode at certain time. To date, I got a friend who upgraded manually last Friday and still couldn' get a reply from them. It got to be doing fast to resolve all these problems. This is another smart surf to last this long since Dec 05. It has launched into a multiple of family surfs like instant money, auto-insompnaicpro etc. That is a smart move. Secondly, it has made an attempt to derive other business streams. I am pleased to say that Paul Corrao responded quickly to my request for a refund from Scampay and so it is back in my portfolio.

6. 14dailygold (36,218). This kid is making hot news moving up from the tenth position (in 12 May's Review). It is another high-paying surf and noise is getting heard! It is definitely a gamer's play, rated as a promising surf!

7. Gladiator (35,377). The site just went thru' a change. The pageviews are up due to the presence of Admin communicating in the thread. I got paid several times here.

8. eDataSurf (21,830). This is new in Top 10. In the previous review on 12 May, this was not even in the Top 10 and I briefly mentioned its potential and highly recommended this surf. Here it is - in Top 10. Impressive especially considering that it started only in late Apr. It boosts of an impressive design, expensive server with DDOS protection right at the BEGINNING and Ramesh, the communicative and responsive admin. Ramesh has exchanged some personal notes with me and he assured me he got a plan to derive revenues. The payout was promptly but the subscriber wouldn't feel that there was actually a 7-day delay. It was much lower-paying in terms of yield so I reckoned that this will last. Remember Ramesh in edatamerge, is a gamer himself and he got all the connections to get this right.

9. Tendaily (21,567). This is new in Top 10. Highly underrated but this surf got to be the best performing surviving high-yield surf I know of. Few people had even heard about it. The MMG thread was started on 20 Sep 05, and the monthly ROI is whopping 100%. How does it do it? Basically, the surf program requires you to deposit a certain amount before you are eligible for withdrawal but still, the surf lives on and there is a happy crowd in MMG. This allows alertpro and personally, I am impressed. A whopping 8 months in existence for 100% monthly ROI surf!

10. 12dailyproforever (20,586). This is new in Top 10. This is one surf that catches on the nostalgia concerning 12daily. No doubt, it is going to gain public attention as it hits the Top 10.

Of special mention, at No. 11, is 13dailypro (17,467) and is fast gaining attention with a proactive admin. This is rated as a promising surf by me.

Those Out:

1. Phoenixsurf - this program had been paying me and I moved it out of my Top 10. In this review, MMG has moved it to Site On Hold. Recently, it launched Ad-Titans which was viewed as an attempt to raise funds. This site has young ambitious management team and if it can show by fully paying everybody, it will survive. The question is how and when.

2. Eyesurfer. This one is into Scams/Closed Program. I did mention in previous reviews that I reckon these fellows are smart and they went for a short haul only. Will they be back? I reckon so given the way they craft an unique sight in their surf and everything is well orchestrated as they got closed after 4 paying cycles.

3. Epaysurf. See My Commentary

The top casualty will be Phoenix with Total Rune to move up in Top 5, and Top 5 is relatively unchanged from 12 May's review. Of the Top 10 here, I got 5 in my portfolio (see those with hyperlinks) and TotalRune. Here is the end of the review and remember to get out before it gets you out!

2006-05-20T14:57:00.000-07:00

20 May 2006 - Review of Xperthits

I keep hearing about scams here and there. If you want an honest program, here it is : Xperthits by my good friend, Melinda Jones. This is ranked among the Top 3 of my best surfs. There is a Good Reason for it.

The program started way back last year and then a hurricane struck. For a long while and I think it was a month or so, there was no electricity. The program went into jeopardy somehow but Mel returned all the funds back to the members. It restarted again and a new script was in place in late Jan. Then, Scampay struck. I was one of the first few who joined this program with Scampay and Mel refunded 100% immediately to me. I don't know about the others who got refunded. Mel is not the kind who will cheerlead her own program.

If you are getting weary of scams, take a look at this program. It is paying 1% for 180 days, a good yield in the real world! All of us are spoilt by high yields but there are extreme high risk in these potential scams. If you don't want to lose sleep, here it is. Payment is prompt within a day or a few after the end of month.

However I got good news how you can more money matching what you will make in playing other games. This is how I will recommend playing it to get a high yield which will match the yield you get playing programs with no absolute certainty they will close. As this program is stable and you use monthly compounding, you will stand to make much more. I am referring to compounding on your own ie once you got your payments into your egold, put it back into the program. This is where I will recommend to take a look. It is really for folks who are wary of scams and I do think this will present a great fit.

I did the calculations. If you begin with $100 and compound the profits every month, you will reap $482 in 180 days and after that, you must minus away $100 deposit and so the profit gain is actually 282% profit over initial $100 principal!!! Divide over 6 mths, you get a monthly yield of 47% which is close to the current programs of monthly ROI of 51% for Compactsurf. The calculations are only an estimate and there might be slight adjustment due to possible payment delays of a few days but the yield is close enough.

The only thing is that there is a max $4000 you can get involved in this program. This strategy is a perfect fit and it is ironical of how so few have thought about it this way. This is a no-brainer!

2006-05-20T11:50:00.000-07:00

20 May 2006 - Solidtrust relooking at min payout

I wrote a post in a forum suggesting that Solidtrust re-examines the min. payout of $25 which I felt is too high. The lack of a feeling being paid will not promote the program. Here is a reply I just got from Stella, the admin of Solidtrust.

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Good to see your post here!

You are the first member to mention our minimum payout amount and a request to change it to a lower number. We will include your request in our next online survey which will be on the front page in a week or so. If the majority of members want it lowered, we will consider it - SolidTrust is a community, not a dictatorship :D

Of course, there are quite a few surf bonus $$ prizes to win, Crazy Bonus Days at least once a month where you earn a lot more, and our PTC area which has cash and credit bonuses as well - so we are doing all we can to help those with lower amounts reach the minimum level.

Having a higher cashout level allows our investments to pay us longer so that we can ensure paying our members on time. Some sites, as you know, have a much higher payout level than ours and only pay monthly. We think we have a good blend of minimum cashout level and payout frequency. And you don't have to wait to get your payout....always on the 1st and 15th....no waiting.

Thanks for being a SolidTrustian :D

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If you are from Solidtrust, go vote for it as it will benefit the majority of smaller players. Below is a link but Solidtrust does not pay cash referrals. No issue to me as I think it is worthwhile to consider this program.

2006-05-20T11:10:00.000-07:00

20 May 2006 - Epaysurf on hold

Here is an email from Kent, the friendly communicative admin to one forumer who posted it in MMG:

Hello Epay Surf members:

Once again, we have been hit with something out of our control. I am not sure why the site is down, or what is going on with it. We are looking into things right now to see what has happened, and what we can do to bring it back up again. It looks like something with our hosting provider went awry, but again, I am just not sure.

As to date, I have paid out everyone that I could. We just don't have any more funds until the other funds arrive into my egold account. Once that happens, I will begin payouts immediately, and will not stop until everyone is paid.

One thing that I must say. Many people think that it is their job to twist words, and add things to these updates. Please take them as face value and quit adding things that are not even there. We have all had a rough month, and I hope that I will be able to make it up to all of you that have been so patient. I appreciate your support during these times.

I will let you know as soon as the site is up, and as soon as we get things figured out.

Take care everyone!

Kent

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Yesterday, I reported to Kent that the egold acc number had been changed thinking it was another injection hacker attack. Surfing was ok. Soonafter the site disappeared. Now the tune has changed for the cheerleaders in MMG.

If it is a scam, Kent has done an excellent job in communication, one of the best. Also, his credentials include being in MMG as a senior member with 1000++ posts to bag. Every moment here and there, he was responsive. His payments are right on schedule and on time. Recently, there was some downtime due to the server change and we give him the benefit of doubt. In fact, some just wished that he would give an honest explanation concerning his investments turning awry. One to two weeks ago, he was defending himself over Darrell, his good pal from the failed 13percentsurf.

There is nothing personal for me as a gamer. We lose some and we gain some. Once in profit, we just move on even if not, if you have adhered to keep your principal to acceptable loss, it is not something which will bother too much. I read many sob stories in MMG and I am sorry to hear them. But clearly, we must understand what we are getting involved - keep your risks low indeed. There will always be another day as long as you preserve your capital. This one is now on hold in my Top 10 list. In a day or two, if there is no communication, it will be out.

2006-05-19T12:48:00.000-07:00

19 May 2006 - Are surf programs ponzi? How good are the odds?

A forumer asked me :

"Have read your blog and am wondering, do you think that any surfs have a real source of 'earned' income, or are they all ponzis of one fashion or another?

Also since you are an 'odds player', are the odds with autosurf really any better than blackjack or baccarat??"

Here is my reply:

Are there any real source of revenue? If we don't see the books, all we can do is to listen what the surf programs have to say. Revenue are made in the following ways:

1. Members' upgrades (could be ponzi depending on your interpretation of the law)
2. Advertising (getting firms, individuals, sites etc to pay for the advertising; this is where some classify <1> as part of it)
3. Affiliate marketing (big area such as getting members to participate in other paid programs organised by the Parent Surf program)
4. Use of forex (Surf programs can claim the use of it as a form of hedging the exchange rates and if it is profitable, it is not against the law)
5. Investment in other legit businesses generating a big return
6. Investing in other surf programs or HYIPs (rather common approach)

In terms of law, we must understand AS is in a grey area and attempts are made to ensure <1> can be classified under <2>. The latest SEC ruling on 12dailypro is unfortunately not contested by 12dailypro and SEC has notably not pushed for a blanket ruling against all surf programs. If surf programs can find a way to put <1> into <2>, then this will take away the ponzi argument. It is too long to go thru the detailed arguments for both sides of the story. Jim Polak (from Autosurf Central) got a thread on it. I previously have written detailed posts on it but not in this forum (AC Cafe). Surf programs are like what MLM was like in its early days. It took many years before the legal model is now as it is.

Surfing has to be about advertising and I don't see any way out of it. When you consider the surf program, make sure advertising is the major source of revenue and this is legit. You can't run a surf program using surf as a facade.

The problem with many scams is to hide behind all these, and claim to be legit. The truth of the matter we can't tell for sure until the program scams. We all know for sure that high yields are a problem and yet there are possibly be very legit programs that can produce such yields. I happen to be a believer in this possibility. There are some programs which could produce high yields but they will NEVER reveal in total transparency how they do it - they claim the right to secrecy of their business.

I basically take the program as a face value but with an expectation the program will likely close or turning scams, so that all my risks are covered, and secondly, to check the progress of the program and if it continues for long, it is a bonus for me. Also, at some point, I listen to how the crowd feels and if I think that is too much cheerleading as the life of surf comes to a point of maximisation, I will stay out or go with much lower spents. For programs that smell of outright scams, I stay out totally. I am a gamer going for programs which I reckon have a chance of honesty and legitimacy. Of course, if a program promises 100% a day, that is difficult to accept. I accept yields up to around 100% monthly ROI.

If you are an honest bloke and take the route most programs are likely scams due to the high yields, it is advisable to stay out of this but there are some surf programs that I do think has a higher level of honesty and legitimacy I reckon. (See my personal Top 10 Surf Programs. But I can never say with absolute certainty. Anyway, no business in real life is ever certain as well. In life, it all leads to the same principle - it is just a game. You calculate your odds, and you take a chance and see how it plays out.

For the second part of your question, are the odds higher than the blackjack and baccarat? For blackjack, as long as you can calculate the odds above 50%, you can play the game. There are some many books out there that will teach you how to do it. But the skills require a lot of training and secondly, casinos recognise these folks as well and they are banned from casinos. Baccarat - obviously the casino has the edge and in the long run, you will lose. Obviously, I reckon the odds in this game are good but it is dependent how smart you can arrange the odds. Spent time observing the programs and look for patterns for success. Follow them in a disciplined fashion after you develop your gameplan. At an advanced level, you need to appreciate Game Theory which means that scamming programs will attempt to show the characteristics that mark them as genuine, and at that level, you have to be smarter than the average smart guy.

Good luck and hopes it answers your questions.

2006-05-18T14:27:00.000-07:00

18 May 2006 - Developing a Gameplan

1. Understanding the Human Weakness

This is by far the most important part of being a Gamer. We always focus on others' opinions of what constitute a good game for us to invest in. There is always a discomfort in parting with our money and we want to have good feelings before investing. It is natural we want to hear cheerleaders because that is us being human. Just take note, have you realised how great the cheerleading was for Stormysurf? It was paying for 6 months without fail and promptly and before the scheduled 10 days. It got louder and louder. Anybody reading the posts will want to throw in their money and it is all in the unconscious that we are often not aware. No human is immune to it. My friends even emailed me to ask about great business potential. The fact they asked tells me the message is getting thru' around the internet. My reply was that you should get real but not discounting the possibility there might be really something in Stormysurf, my attitude is that of a gamer. I put my money expecting the program to be a game and if it turns out better and is longlasting, it is a big bonus! If it dies which apparently happened quite a lot, I will still walk away happy.

Many lost due to the entrance of a play at a peak of good feelings which happens when the cheerleading is loud - it is the noise which I called it. But before you point your fingers at them and start blaming, please learn to be responsible for your own actions. You do your own thinking and calculations. Get real! They are just human beings reporting on how they feel or suggesting what they think. End of day, the onus must always be on you. Hence, I always use a gauge on my own feelings and as long as I see potential based on a set of objective criteria (I will update these another time and please look out for it), and when I feel the discomfort, the game is on! Mind you, this is a difficult thing to do and it takes a certain discipline. I see many people who will look at what I am suggesting as programs to play, and they will 'think' about it but actually, they are looking for good feelings. Right? Even I am often tempted to be like that. It is just being human and understanding this is crucial to distinguish yourself to be a good gamer!

2. Defining your Risk

Risk is solely defined as the amount you are prepared to lose in any game. It is dependent on your capital. Everybody who plays a game or invest in a business, must have a capital to begin with. This is your stake and you must define it. Assuming your overall capital to play these games is $1000, and you get excited by the incredible prompt payments by Stormysurf. Then you decide to whack all the whole $1000 on Stormysurf. Good idea? If it turns out well, you make 50% more in 10 days and you pat yourself on your shoulders and say 'Well done!'. But this is about risk? What if the unfortunate happens and even in a 90% probable gain, the other 10% can still happen. Hence, you have just lost all your capital on 1 chance you got! This is absolutely bad strategy. How do we play? I recommend that you invest not more than 10% on any one program with small amounts (say $500 or less), and try to lower it as low as 5% and even to 2.5% for big capital. It doesn't mean you go round and throw money into 10 programs (each with 10% assuming this level of 10% risk) cos all programs have to meet your objective criteria. If you haven't found them, take your time. Diversification is essential in the plan. If we don't diversify, well you have to be a great soothsayer to choose the right programs. If you can do, by all means, do not diversify. But who is that soothsayer? I wish I know this fellow if he is around.

3. Defining your reward

Reward is about how much you can make in any one game. After making a gain, what do we do? Some will put back the same capital and roll again. There are a number who will throw everything back into it and roll. Which strategy to use is dependent on what you consider as the life of a surf (I will cover it in another time!). The life of a surf is basically what you gauge to be the probable lifespan of a program (it is about probability and not certainty) and the payout structure of the program. As a gamer, we are always dealing in probabilities and hence, I would recommend that if a surf program shows promise to last longer, do go big by going in with all your principal plus profits, and roll for additional 1 or 2 more rounds keeping in mind the payout structure as well. If it is not showing the high potential, keep your capital and roll on profits for the next round, and with that, go for profit taking and rolling the other half of the profits.

4. Defining percentage gain/loss

If we keep following the principles above, every play has a percentage gain or loss, preferably gain. Most surf programs range from 20% to 100% yield in a month assuming no compounding is done on the principal. If we get the right programs and following a strict gameplan, we should be able to pocket a handsome gain on every play. After averaging out, you should have be able to proclaim a monthly return. For next month, go back and re-define your capital, risk and rewards which now include profits. Do the same as elaborated above. When we can achieve a consistent percentage gain every month, then compounding it further in the months, you should do very well.

That is it, folks and I hope it is useful for all of you to understand this world of risks and rewards, and playing a game well. Remember to get out before it gets you out!

2006-05-17T15:25:00.000-07:00

17 May 2006 - 14dailygold as Promising Surf

This surf has the name 'daily' and something I don't like and it is likely to follow its predecessors to the scam folder. This is another 10 days' risk for 40% gain, with payout within 72 hours and the record has been superb. Assuming 3 days for payout, hence it is 40% for 13 days. On a monthly basis, its yield is 92%, at near 100%. I thought long and hard whether to put this up on my blog cos this one is emerging surf program with noise. It started on 31st Mar 2006. At most, I think it can last 1 round perhaps 2 so it is your call. However, its prompt paying record is what makes this attractive to last 1 or 2 rounds. A gamer doesn't have to play the programs for long periods. Another plus is upgrading of server in early May. Just the same, I do not recommend high spents due to 'lateness' of program. If this blog has been up very much earlier, I might recommend with a less heavy heart. On the good aspect, Jason is a communicative admin and there is an ongoing referral program for the 3rd time. The cheerleaders in the internet world will be cheering loud and clear on this one. Both Talkgold and MMG have been near loud so far. If it lasts one round, well and good.

2006-05-17T14:21:00.000-07:00

17 May 2006 - 13dailypro as Promising Surf.

Let me first say it first outrightly when you read the blog here. I am a gamer with a gamer's mentality. Perhaps autosurf programs are legit money-making entreprises but from the history of surfs, the statistics are less impressive with a large number closing or becoming scams.

There are legit programs which you can found some of them in my Top 10 surfs. There are others which we cannot be certain. Over here, I just ask myself this question - what are the odds of making money versus the risk of losing? It is how I approach this thing - it is just a game. If you are ok, continue reading and if not, take what I read with many pinches of salt.

Let me now introduce 13dailypro It pays 13% for 11 days, making a 43% gain for 11 days. Assuming a quick payment within 24 hours which I hear is the current scenario, this maximises into 129% for 33 days. For a month, this is more than a 100% ROI which makes it into the very high-yield echelon of surfs. Risky? Undoubtedly.

But I see the potential - Talkgold has put this surf program into Scam folder despite this program paying promptly and fast. Strange isn't it? According to Talkgold, there has been some claims that there is an organised cheerleading around based on IP address. When there is controversy, there is an even stronger attempt by this program to move forward. If it can, it builds trust. Recently, it announced it got its own dedicated server with a potential to host 500,000 members. It just survived the recent hacker attacks and now putting up a new script. These are plus points suggesting the program is geared for more traffic and expansion!

I get intrigued and a risk of 11 days for 43% - there is room to play! One of the things that I got intrigued is the posting of names with payments in chronological order. When the internet world gets skeptical, I get interested. If it gets interested, I get skeptical. That is me. Now here I am to put forward as a promising surf. Hey, I am happy with one round and I think 2 rounds are possible.

It is a program that only starts in end Mar and so it has been running about 50++ days. I believe I can go thru 2 rounds at least.

2006-05-17T11:31:00.000-07:00

17 May 2006. The Virtual Money Debit Card has arrived and this is the closest we get to having autosurf programs collaborating together for a common cashout system. The debit card is a one time fee of $30. It can be used on any site that accepts Virtual Money® cards. Take a look at the following merchants participating (snailsurf.org is gone by now):

Extracash-flow.com	Zen-Surf.com
Surf20daily.com	15hitsdaily.com
Epaysurf.com	Harroldsmedia.com
Inertia-surf.com	Gladiatorsurf.com
Edatasurf.com	Nobssurf.com
Surfandearn.com	Snailsurf.org
Nowdollar.com	Tunata.com
Surf-atz.com	Ad17.com
Alientrust.com	Phoenixsurf.com
Webhitsdaily.com	Paydaysurfer.com
ProsurfInvest.com	24dailypro.com
SolidTrustGroup.com

For more info, click http://www.autosurfauthority.com/debit.htm

2006-05-16T11:25:00.000-07:00

16 May 2006 - Fastprofitsclub as a Promising Surf.

This surf was launched on 17 Feb 06 and to date, it is still flying way below the radar. There are a number of actions that I like about this surf:

Announcement by Fastprofitsclub on 9 May 06:
Today we launched two site enhancements.

We added a free email system that can be used not only for FPC but for all your email needs. It is feature rich including a calendar, the ability to share documents, voice-email notification and you can import your other email addresses. This email system is autosurf friendly which means you will never have a problem with your referrals getting activation links! You can also access your email from anywhere in the world. Show your support by sending all your emails from your own personal @fpcmail.net email address.

We also added a communications store where you can get discounted pricing on cell phones, V.O.I.P., home phone service, internet access and many other services. You can shop at stores like Walmart, Overstock.com, Enterprise Rent-A-Car and other International Stores. If you are using these services anyway why not get them at a discount and help support the fastest growing autosurf on the planet!

Everyone should have an FPC email address and everyone should visit our store. Your support of these ventures ensures that we will be able to continue to offer you awesome advertising and the ability to earn super commissions!

Thank you for your continued support.
Team FPC

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In MMG, its pages as of now is about 4394 pageviews since its inception on 17 Feb 06. It has been paying PROMPTLY and within 2 business days after upgrade's expiration. I always like programs that go for the extra mile especially NOT relying on members' subscriptions which is no different from a ponzi structure. The two site enhancements basically suggest a strong business consideration in Fastprofitsclub. The site enhancements represent REAL ADVERTISING and take a look at the site to check out the great products they have. Anytime I look at the site, I always like the fact that its design shows effort unlike the many generic scripts we see around.

The IP check for this surf is clean and the whois check is ok.

Go for it before the internet world gets to hear more of it!

2006-05-15T12:11:00.000-07:00

16 May 2006 - Nobssurf as a Promising Surf.

I have been observing this surf since its inception on 12 Apr. Had its first round of payout on 30 Apr and been paying since then. Admin is active in MMG. It is 8% for 18 days, and payout is within 72 hours. If you opt for VIP membership, you have to vote for them after getting paid in several monitors and forums, and in return, you are paid within 12-18 hours. By the way, this program has nothing to do with NOBSHYIP, the blogger on HYIP programs.

The gamer in me, always like programs that are new and promising. The admin is responsive and eager to build up his site. He has a forum in which he lists scammers who try to scam his site. It only has 600 members now and do go in early and make your first few rounds. With expenses spent on a dedicated server with DDOS protection, admin has spent MONEY in the beginning unlike other programs which go for cheap options and upgrade later with funds coming in.

Other business income of site include the following (read below from Nobssurf):

Next thing is we are about to move to our dedicated server with DDOS protection this move should be virtually seamless and when we do this we will be able to control the server time ourselves currently we are on a semidedicated VPS and only have 500 gb of bandwidth the new server has a faster connection and a faster cpu so we should not have any issues whatsoever. We are expecting this to be done by monday or tuesday at the latest (4 May announcement)

Last thing we will be offering hosting for sale we will have shared hosting, reseller hosting, and dedicated hosting we also have a huge collection of scripts we will be offering for sale for almost any type of site imaginable we can install them for you as well for next to nothing depending on the script. We also have a large amount of templates we can sell for your site. Our shared and reseller hosting runs on linux based servers and uses cpanel/whm panel. The dedicated servers offer your choice of operating system and control panel software and can be configured to your specifications to meet your needs. and questions about the hosting can be directed to admin@nobsnetwork.com until we get the hosting site up and functional.

From the beginning:

Our Program is designed with the everyday person in mind. We have put together a You may ask whats with the name? The reason for the name is we are tired of all the unreliable sites that are coming and going these days and we want to try and eliminate them by offering a opportunity that will last with No Excuses and No Bull**** ever Period.
No Bull****, No Excuses, just payments...

Phase 1 : 8% daily for 18 days
Phase 2 : 9% daily for 18 days
Phase 3 : 10% daily for 18 days

How it will work is this, once we reach 20,000 members we will move to phase 2. From there once we reach 50,000 we move to phase 3. Once we reach a member level of 100,000 the site is planned to go private. No new members will be accepted at that point. this will ensure that the site does not have problems with functioning like many other larger sites have experienced. At this point we may open a 2nd site on a seperate server but, we will make that decision when the time comes. Lastly we would just like to thank all of you for coming to visit our site and welcome all new members to our family.

15 May 06:

The next thing is we are very pleased to anounce our first referral contest!
we will be giving away $4000 in prizes for this contest. The prizes:
1st place: $1000
2nd place: $800
3rd place: $700
4th place: $500
5th place: $400
6th place: $300
7th place: $200
8th place: $100

So you need to advertise Nobssurf.com to get as many upgraded referrals as possible !!! The end date of the contest will be on May 26th 2006. The winners will be announced on Sunday May 27th and you will be paid to the processor we have listed on your account.

Last thing we are going to announce is we will be opening NobsHosting. The site is not finished yet but if you are interested you can send us a email and we can set you up with an account or domain. we will be offering very competitive prices for our hosting starting at 6.95 a month and you can purchase from egold or alertpay. we will be offering reseller hosting and dedicated hosting as well.

2006-05-14T14:14:00.000-07:00

15 May 2006 - Top 10 Surfs. Here again I reviewed my Top 10 Surfs as I ranked them in my portfolio. There are a number of promising surfs out of the Top 10 which are not listed in this blog yet and I hope to talk about them soon once I have the time to update the blog.

Here they are:
1. Compactsurf
2. Surfing Frenzy
3. Xperthits
4. Nowdollar
5. eDataSurf
6. Gladiator
7. Epaysurf (20 May 06 latest update - program on hold)
8. Dadndaves
9. Netinvestautosurf - New Entry
10. Solidtrust - New Entry

Commentary (those in):

1. Compactsurf - It is capturing the autosurfing industry in terms of attention. In MMG forum, it is ranked as the second in terms of pageviews. As I hear the noise and debating whether to downgrade, I decide to let it stay on top for a while. Its yield is roughly 50% a month. The reasons why it is hot is that it is paying promptly and within 48 hours, secondly, I am getting feedback from friends and forumers who are getting into the play as this surf is capturing attention. It has just launched Compactlottery and Compactpay is around the corner. Compactpay will be another source of revenue. On the other hand, its other known competitors such as Wiredsurf and Phoenix are fast losing steam. So it stays on top for another week.

2. Surfing Frenzy - 20% yield and somewhat on the low side compared to other surfs but hey you won't lose sleep over this one. I know Lucki and Suzanna through Yahoo Group Forum for which we are all members. They are thoroughly honest folks and pay very promptly within 24 hours after expiry of upgrade. So they stay up here!

3. Xperthits - Mel Jones is the best and most personable admin I have known so far. Her site pays 1% for 180 days, again on the low side compared to other surf programs but she will not run away with my money!

4. Nowdollar - Lance is a responsive admin and here is the good reason why it has risen on my Top 10. It is paying a 40% yield and certainly I like it for low profile. A low profile indicates that the surf program will grow in attention as more players and cheerleaders enter into action.

5. eDataSurf - Ramesh is one of the proactive and communicating admins I have known. It must be due to the fact that Ramesh has experienced what it is like to be a surfer. Hey, his website, edatamerge, is one of my first learning place as a player here. I am impressed by him and this site has paid two times already. The latest I heard is that it has gotten 600 members only and this means plenty of room to grow!

6. Gladiator - Michael is a good friend of Ramesh and I have observed Michael's communication in MMG. He is earnest and seeks his best to communicate. One of the things he is known to say is that he will at least refund the original amount if things don't work out. This is as honest as one can get. This program has been paying me!

7. Epaysurf - Epaysurf has successfully upgraded its server which showed one thing - this program is staying. Kent communicated and worked really hard to get this program ongoing!
20 May 06 latest update - program on hold

8. Dadndaves - Dadndaves has been around for 1 YEAR. This is phenomenal and thinking back to 2005, how surfs have survived till now? I can only count on my fingers. The only thing is that I have downgraded this surf in the Top 10 by a few notches. The reason is its latest opening of doors to new funds which is always regarded a red flag to me. However, I won't put up a serious red flag on Dave's opening but just move down a few notches in the Top 10. NOBODY survives Scampay and paid the way Dadndaves did without qualms and digging into his personal bank account. This program needs to rebuild and I will support it. By the way, Dadndaves finished paying everybody and that is an impressive achievement.

9. Netinvestautosurf (New Entry) This one finally makes it to my Top 10. This program pays 1% every day for 250 days - somewhat lower yield but frankly, I reckon this program will last long. I can only say good things about Alex Maina. Alex basically wants to keep this group small and manageable, and opens for membership periodically. Alex Maina runs a successful HYIP program which just opens for subscriptions only recently. Netinvestautosurf is also opened for membership for a short period. Sign up if you haven't.

10. Solidtrust (New Entry) - Marc and Stella are again communicating admins. From what I gathered in the forums, many testify to their prompt replies. Also, Solidtrust openly put out its business registration details out and I get frequent updates from them. This one pays 1% everyday for life.

Those out of Top 10: (since last update)

1. Phoenixsurf - this program has been paying me and lately, it has received DDOS attacks which affects its payouts. Whether it is an excuse or not, I have already moved it down in Top 10 and officially now it is out. I will still be in very much smaller spents. If it starts to pay promptly again, I will start to look at it again. Meanwhile, the adage is to get out before it gets YOU.

2. Eyesurfer - I have previously downgraded this program and recently, it closed. This is a high yielding surf program of near 100% a month. It has been receiving lots of attention but this program decides to get out. Basically as I analysed, I reckoned the payment is ponzi-style and it has done its arithmetic very well. It got out at a peak and things suggest that this whole plan is well-thought and orchestrated. This program has been paying very promptly and closed around 60 days after inception. Since it has a cycle of 15 days, and in other words, every player got the most a maximum of 4 chances to make money. Once the average surfer makes money on 1 round, he is tempted to go for higher upgrades and most fellows would likely upgrade between 30th to 60th paying days. Since if you are in profit, you won't get refund, most fellows' upgrades would be caught. Apparently, the refund is selective and I suspect it has to do that it wants to appear legitimate. Let me say these fellows will be back and they are smart, no doubt about it.

That is it, folks, my Top 10. Remember to get out before they get you out!

2006-05-12T13:35:00.000-07:00

It reveals about how one can make use of the 'noise' we hear about the surf programs out there. When the noise is the loudest, it is also at its danger zone.

Some tips of 'How to make use of Top 10 surfs'

We all lost money and I spent some time thinking of what we are getting involved. Seriously, do we think all the surfs can last esply paying outrageous interest to us. So if we want to get involved and make money, we need to distinguish honest competent surfs and those otherwise. The former will be very few and most of the time, we are in the 'grey' zone, never really sure. So if it is so, adopt a gamer's mentality. What is a gamer's mentality?

1. Be prepared for closure of the surf in any one investment. In other words, keep the spent to what is affordable.

2. Take your capital out asap. How many rounds? I always advise not more than 2 rounds, preferably one.

3. Go for a small spent first to try out for a few days and since the internet resources are available, you should be able to discern if these programs are paying or not. The first spent is for your experience and verify what have been said. Some surfs employed cheerleaders and the more you frequent forums, you try to get to reliable sources. Once you find the surf smooth, immediately upgrade to your bigger spent, to what is affordable, ok. It should be one that you wouldn't feel that it will be a great loss. For any venture whether biz or surf play, we shouldn't be greedy and risk what we can't afford. So it is a loss and you don't feel the pain as much, it is a right amount.

4. After a few rounds of payments, confidence is returned to a high level. This is the dangerous part when you are tempted to go for higher spents. Control your greed. Surfs come and go and there will always be another to play around. Stick to your gameplan. Go for risk on profits only.

5. If a surf turns to be paying month after month, you are on a roll and withdraw profits periodically such as 50-50. But the majority of surfs will NOT be. The problem with all of us is to think we strike it on every surf we are on. Get real. The surf is going to die on you one day!

6. When to exit? Due to great feelings being paid, we hear cheerleaders everywhere and this Top Ten list will help you greatly. Discern my friend and no need to pour cold water on those cheerleaders who think the program will continue. You quietly learn to withdraw and look at Stormy - it was really hot and hot! How long will it continue? We don't know. But we got back our capital, we quietly play and take out profits along the way. The day it died, you stand proud and need not shout 'Scam!' here and there. You got your capital and profits. Just move on.

7. Remember this golden principle: What goes up will COME DOWN! Get out when there are good feelings everywhere through smaller spents and frequent withdrawing of profits after every round. The slightest ominous problem - scoot out! Better still, scoot out even before this happens. Forget whatever excuse or rationale put up by admins of programs even if genuine, we just get out or reduce our spents. This is why you must try to reduce your spents or get profits out when the feeling is good.

I hope this Top10 surfs help all around here. Listen to the noise and be the smart one. Also ps be a quiet player as well and it is up to everyone how he or she wants to be involved.

2006-05-12T13:33:00.000-07:00

It is about the top popular surfs using MMG as a guide to hear the 'noise'. Top 10 hottest and paying Surfs from MMG based on pageviews:

Page Views

1. Alien Trust 397,075
2. Compact 178,024
3. Phoenix 161,903
4. Wiredsurf 129,434
5. Dadndaves 117,259
6. Total Rune 74,669
7. Eyesurfer 57,652
8. Epaysurf 33,885
9. Gladiator 25,116
10. 14dailygold 23,764

Commentary:

1. Alientrust and Total Rune are the only surfs that have been around before the fiasoc with Scampay. Then, I remembered that we regard as young promising upstarts. Over here, they are now veterans and how dynamic this surf gameplay is about. Total Rune diversified into many surf sites like instant money etc etc, which may suggest they are developing multiple sources of attention and business. Alientrust kept making controversial decisions that put people off and will it survive? It has done very well with its weekly payout and as long as it has other income sources, it will but here, we don't really know. I am out of AT and TR for a long time. Recently, I got involved with Instant Money.

2. Compact - here is why! It is going to be the hottest and I think it will stay for a while until we hear crescendo, it is time to quietly walk away from it. Just like Stormy, it is at a crescendo which lasted for a while, but it is in its danger zone. Compact is moving into it but I don't think the crescendo is happening yet.

3. Phoenix - out of my personal Top 10 and being the conservative me, I get out before they get me out *lol* The owners of Phoenix are young and ambitious and they will do all they can to regain trust by finishing paying. Will they? I am out first and talk later, ok.

4. Wired - really OUT for me. Trying to survive is all I can say.

5. Dadndaves - the old perennial and still paying. 1 year in existence - wow! Dave is rebuilding its funds and I think nobody survives easily from Scampay, let us face it ... so I wish Dave all the best! Still got funds there! The fact that it is 1% paying and have other income sources, are plus points, cos it has time to pay off esply keeping our principal funds.

6. EYESURFER !!! Here is the next hottest and will hit the hot zone. Prompt and fast payments - nothing more to say. I am glad to find this surf and go in early. Now it is playing with profits. Here is a reason why this is going to be hot and staying hot for a while.

7. Epaysurf and Gladiator - both admins are in MMG! Great admins they are due to their responsiveness! Hey, they just move into my Top 10 as well and am confident for a few more rounds from them.

8. 14dailygold - I am not in yet or never cos I couldn't get away from the 'daily' name. 'Daily' name is a bad one in surf industry and amount of failures are shocking with the name 'daily' and still, I heard good reviews from a number of fellows.

9. Edatasurf - of special mention, it has 13789 page views and just missed getting into Top 10 but with a young debut, it is fast growing ! It will become a top surf in a couple of months. In my Top 10 as well!

That is it folks! My advice is to get in before it is too hot and get out before the fire is starting so that you won't get burnt

2006-05-12T13:28:00.000-07:00

3 May 2006 - Top 10 Surfs. Let me post it to start off this blog. This and every other post unravel the strategies and thoughts of to make a success in this game of Autosurfs and HYIPs.

Updated Top Ten Surfs in my portfolio in terms of Preference:

1. Compactsurf
2. Surfing Frenzy
3. Xperthits
4. Nowdollar
5. Dadndaves
6. Gladiator (New entry)
7. Edatasurf (New entry)
8. Epaysurf (New entry)
9. Eyesurfer
10. Phoenix

Commentary:

1. Compactsurf will be launching Compactlottery. Going into the 3rd month and this is where you will see the peak of support. Hence it remains top! I have to say it is going to replace Phoenix as the next hottest play. Previously, we got 12daily, alientrust, blackgoldsurf, phoenix and now here is Compact! But guys, please note what goes up will come down esply those at pole positions! So I think Compact is good for a few more rounds and every week is a review, ok. There is nothing certain in this game.

2. Those which are moving down the rungs include Eyesurfer and Phoenix. Hey, it doesn't mean I am not into these programs cos they are still in Top 10. Spents are getting smaller and still would be good for at least a round or two. If they are out of my Top 10 next week, basically, my spents are getting even smaller. They may still get upgraded if they can show something interesting! Eyesurfer has done well in my portfolio and I am sad to lower the grading. When money is concerned, I just got to be objective but I am in the play.

3. The perennials like Xperthits, Surfing Frenzy and Daddaves make me proud to be associated with these fellows. Expect them to be around for a while. Nowdollar is emerging to be one like this like Lance doing a superb job.

4. Latest hot entries to make it into Top 10 are Epaysurf, Gladiator and Edatasurf. Paying promptly,great site designs and highly responsive admins. Will see them in Top 10 for a while (one month! - which to me, a long time!) Every week is a review and one must be quick to adjust very fast to change in this dynamic surf gameplay!

Those Out:

1. Stormysurf (after an illustrious paying history, now turns into scam. Those who went in early, would profit tremendously if they are not greedy.)

2. Cashbacksurf (Bill Russell, an honest, straight-talking bloke but he flipped-flopped on his payment plans which I felt is a big mistake, damaging our perception of his competence and business sense. Though out of my Top 10, I hold him in respect cos he is honest. Won't scam! I will still continue with his program, and hope to see his latest programs succeed.)

3. Fortunesurf (no reason other than that it is making way for dynamic programs that pay better. Still a steady play)